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[-] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The FBI's political surveillance was not a result of popular hysteria, such as scholars used to claim, or a rational response to communist spying and the Cold War confrontation, such as a number of historians have recently argued. Instead, it was an integrated part of the attempt by the modern federal state, rooted in the Progressive Era, to regulate and control any organized opposition to the political, economic and social order, such as organized labor, radical movements and African-American protest.

  • Red Scare: FBI and the Origins of Anticommunism in the United States, by Regin Schmidt, PhD

The FBI working against progress shouldn't really be surprising when this is what they did in their formative years. It's a big mistake to think we were stupid in the past and that we're above doing what we used to do, today, and I'm really starting to wonder if intelligence agencies actually are a net positive the more I read about them, at least they seem like they're well overdue for some radical reforming to ensure they act in the best interest of common people, rather than whatever they're doing now and historically.

[-] twisted28@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’ve been wondering what exactly the agencies are there for. All that money seems pissed away. They didn’t see 9/11, the BLM protests or 1/6 coming. They must be complicit or incompetent, Why keep them?

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 9 months ago

Thinking of this from the prospective of "why have an IT department we don't need them everything is working". At least hopefully they have mitigated / prevented similar events you listed and we just never heard about them.

[-] twisted28@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Their literal reason for existing is to protect the country, they had ample warning of 1/6 and did nothing. I would call that a definitive failure, no matter how you try to spin it.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 3 points 9 months ago

I agree with you on 1/6.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Afaik:

They had info on 9/11 but didnt put the pieces together.

The BLM protests... Are protests? Do you want the feds to stop protests? Don't worry, feds were on the scene doing all kinds of random shit like entrapment and interrogation and whatnot.

They did see Jan 6th coming, but basically chose not to interfere.

Why keep them? Theoretically surveillance can be useful. Its hard to justify understaffing and downsizing. I'd choose complicit. A lot of feds are fascist. They're smart, unlike cops, but they're evil just because of pathology or whatever. TBH the kind of person the FBI recruits would likely be even more dangerous if they weren't agents.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 9 months ago

Federal investigators foiled a massive bomb plot brought on by ~20 domestic terrorists who immigrated from another, restless, country and thought that wanton destruction would somehow galvanize support FOR their position on the conflict back home.

Can confirm that OUR feds are worth their (really small) pay.

[-] twisted28@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m addressing their 1/6 failure. Yes I know they’re good at investigating immigrants. How much is their small pay? The agency that receives hundreds of billions and has never passed an audit, and you think it’s small pay lol

[-] interceder270@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I’m really starting to wonder if intelligence agencies actually are a net positive

All of them, for the ruling class.

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Who do we trust?

None. Everything this country taught me as truth was a lie, unless one has enough money to look the other way. It's like talking to HR at work, nothing changes but they'll still try to win you back with more lies.

They breed terror so they can come back to be a hero.

[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

The Deep State at work. It has always served conservative interests and established power.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago

Then why is the FBI hunting like 01/06 animals like a fucking Terminator? Still nailing those fuckers, seems like one every day, even after nearly 2-years.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago

That's the DOJ prosecuting them. Are the FBI still finding them? I thought since there's video of almost all of em, its mostly about using the courts to put them in prison and make deals to get info on those who couldn't be identified.

[-] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 9 months ago

Fbi, dhs and cia need to be destroyed and remade with real oversight.

This happens too often

[-] Spendrill@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Fascist Bureau of Intimidation strikes again.

this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2023
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