this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2023

37 points (100.0% liked)

Melbourne

2165 readers

43 users here now

This community is a place created for the people of Melbourne and Victoria. We are a positive, welcoming and inclusive community. We might not agree about everything, but we always strive to stay civil and respectful.

The focus of our discussions is based around things that affect Victoria, but we are also free to discuss our local perspective on wider issues. Or head to the regular Daily Random Discussion thread to talk about anything.

Full Community Guidelines

Ongoing discussions, FAQs & Resources (still under construction)

Adoption Certificate for Nellie, the Daily Thread numbat (with thanks to @Catfish)

Feedback & Suggestions

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

lodion@aussie.zone

RustyRaven@aussie.zone

briongloid@aussie.zone

bot001@aussie.zone

YarraByte@aussie.zone

Victorian man planned to abuse baby, caught with 6,300 child sexual abuse files, jailed for 20 months (www.abc.net.au)

submitted 2 years ago by just_kitten@aussie.zone to c/melbourne@aussie.zone

16 comments fedilink hide all child comments

What the absolute fuck? 20 months? I genuinely do believe rehabilitation can be possible for some pedophiles as opposed to just punishment, but this guy has zero remorse and for the degree of his offending...

all 18 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] SpinMeAround@aussie.zone 21 points 2 years ago

20 months for a man who talked about having a baby solely for abusing it is not enough.

[+] wscholermann@aussie.zone 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

[deleted]

[–] just_kitten@aussie.zone 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree that the base attraction can't be cured but I think there is potential for SOME to reform their lives and behaviour, with support - not everyone though.

But there does need to be an appropriate level of punitive detention first, 20 months is jackshit especially as it's so short the perp is unlikely get access to treatment courses or any other meaningful support to prevent reoffending after release. This is just irresponsible to the public and even to this person

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

20 months in prison for a Rock Spider can be a life sentence.

They do get targeted by other prisoners for abuse.

If you are a seasoned murderer who has multiple life sentences, regretting your life choices, and you meet someone who has abused children, what have you got to loose? You are able to do something (that you interpret as being) good for the community and hopefully save some little kiddies and make the world a better place.

I am not defending either party here, but for some offenders, 20 months may be too much, or not enough. The Judiciary need to make this decision, depending on the offender.

[–] essellburns@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Speaking as a therapist who works with non offending paedophiles, I can confirm they can change and grow.

Actually, they're a lot like human beings in their capacities, shockingly.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Depends.

You have pedophilia as in the part of their brain that identifies viable sexual partners is malfunctioning, they won't act on it, but are attracted to children. I'd argue they don't need reformation as it's not the attraction that's the problem to society, it's acting on it. I'd imagine it's a hell of a bad place to be, but they do exist, and there are attempts to help people before they go over the edge. This is where you get the 'attempts to destigmatise' that some people wildly grab the wrong of the stick on.

But then you have those that act on it...well it involves ignoring consent, ignoring knowledge that it's wrong, and going out of your way to deliberately abuse a child....basically there's so many fucking steps they have to consciously take that outside of some pretty severe mental health issues they're irredeemable cunts that decide nothing matters past what they want and need to be fired out of a cannon into the sun.

[–] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What an absolute scumbag. And only 20 months?

It was being so deliberately calculated too. How do they know he's not just going to get out and do it again in a way that is harder to monitor?

Honestly.

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago

At the same time, it's hard to know if he was actually going to enact the plan or if he was just talking out a fantasy online. Hopefully they monitor him closely when he is released.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago

What the actual fuck?! 20 years would have been justified.

[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Agreed but what also gets me is that they don’t deal with the chat environments.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

It was an ongoing conversation about methods of sexually abusing babies and toddlers that brought Jonathon Lester Edwards to the attention first of US authorities and then of the Australian Federal Police.

Edwards, a 34-year-old chef from Bairnsdale in eastern Victoria, had been speaking with an American woman named Nadia in an online paedophile chatroom when the US-based National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children started monitoring their conversations.

Following a tip-off from the US authority, AFP investigators raided Edwards' home in December 2021 and, across five devices, found at least 6,388 files containing videos and images of child sexual abuse, organised by gender and age of the children exploited in the material.

"You said, 'I'm a really normal guy outside of the bedroom with good friends, family and a job, part of sports clubs … but behind closed doors we could live our dreams."

At a plea hearing in the Latrobe Valley County Court on November 1, after which Edwards was remanded, prosecutors outlined depraved discussions between him and others in online encrypted paedophile chatrooms.

Crown Prosecutor Jake Morrison told the court Edwards' offending had flow-on effects, fuelling a market which exploited children around the world.

The original article contains 477 words, the summary contains 184 words. Saved 61%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] Kayel@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago

20 months is plenty of time for the other prisoners to find out what he's charged with.

Say what you wish about mob justice, but it's honest.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

rehabilitation may very well be possible, but let's not pretend there's any serious effort made to rehabilitate people in the "justice" system

for the safety of the public this man should be shot

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you mean killed? Or just shot?

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

lmao i'm picturing the kind of person who would simultaneously issue calls for extreme violence but only like, non-fatally. "just shoot them a little!"

i believe he should be executed, to be clear