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"The Next Subnautica" aims to deliver underwater survival spooks in early 2025 (www.rockpapershotgun.com)

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[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 38 points 7 months ago

That feels awfully soon. I hope they can actually create enough new content for this, as Below Zero felt far too similar to the first. It felt more like a new game plus rather than a full-price sequal.

[-] Crystal_Shards64@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Yeah I felt like below zero could have gone without the above land content. It just wasn't nearly as good as the rest of what they had made. I really missed having the submarine thing too

[-] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I remember reading somewhere that Below zero was originally intended to be an expansion, but got changed into a standalone release. The subnautica 2 they are working on now is entirely new.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

This one best be co-op

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Best I can do is a battle royale.

[-] Kaldo@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

I'm tempted to agree but on the other hand, I'd rather see the budget go towards a better game than designing for coop. The first one wouldn't be atmospheric at all if you had a laggy friend floating around you all the time.

Plenty of other survival games that have coop and are better suited for it.

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I wait for the co-op return, only Nintendo keeps this going in a wider scheme.

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Split screen maybe, but there are absolute loads of indie games released each year with co-op.

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Why do people want everything to be co-op

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 8 points 7 months ago

Because it's fun to play games with friends?

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think survival games are better with friends

[-] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 1 points 7 months ago

Normies and their friends.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

here's to hoping they don't scrap a perfect story half way through again like they did in sub 2, I loved the original pre-release story, then they scrapped it for the boring one it is now

[-] dana@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

What was the pre-release story for BZ? I played it this year and thought the story was fine, though it didn't manage to recapture the feelings of mystery and discovery of the first game

[-] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

I want a truly massive nuclear submarine and be able to explore some of the actual deep parts of the ocean. Like they hype up the huge drop off in the first game. Maybe a bit of protection against the giant ghost laviathans.

[-] ono@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

Please be good. I loved the first one (despite the bugs).

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

Didn't they say they were don't making Subnautica like games? I hope not though, I loved 1 and 2.

[+] Fal@yiffit.net -20 points 7 months ago

Is the next one going to support inverting the X and Y axis on the controller? Or is it going to be entirely unplayable as well?

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Kind of a standard option, no doubt. Not sure how that one thing makes it unplayable though.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I personally don't know anyone, let alone know how anyone plays first-person games with inverted camera controls.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I grew up on joysticks and flight simulators so when I got my hands on an Xbox controller to play Halo it felt more natural to me.

Years later and id switched to normal, and now just use M+K on PC but I understand why someone would want it as an option.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 months ago

I did the inverted vertical mouse for ages for the same reason, and then one day it just stopped working for me. I think I'd tried other systems and come back to my PC and it suddenly felt wrong. Then I went to normal mouse controls and discovered aiming was more natural and smoother, and I'd probably been sabotaging my aiming by forcing an extra layer of abstraction into it.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That honestly sounds terrible. Part of me is tempted to try playing a game like that just to see how it is.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive, and our brains can learn to make just about any adjustment with enough practice.

But IRL if you're physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right, just like the uninverted mouse movement. So you're spending time IRL learning one movement and time in games learning the opposite movement. I think that's why inverted was so much worse even though I did it that way from the start.

[-] Fal@yiffit.net 1 points 7 months ago

It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive

That's exactly what it's live and it's exactly why it's intuitive and why when games came out, it was the standard.

But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right,

But you're not pointing in the games. You're moving the view/camera. So to LOOK up and right (as opposed to point), you lean back and roll to the left

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 months ago

But you're not pointing in the games. You're moving the view/camera.

You are doing both. They are inherently coupled in this format. But in reality you are not leaning with your hand, you are pointing with your hand, and so the closest 1:1 mapping between movements is uninverted mouse controls.

Also I don't know what "roll to the left" means here at all. You'd need to draw a diagram or something if you wanted me to understand that part. Your words alone are not enough to convey it.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I definitely understand for flight sims and other aviation games like Ace Combat, but it still seems more intuitive to tilt the stick in the direction you want to look, rather than the opposite direction.

[-] ripripripriprip@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

This is the way. Any time I'm a pilot, it's invented. Shooter, normal.

[-] Fal@yiffit.net -1 points 7 months ago

I don't know how anyone doesn't. You're controlling a camera. It's how cameras/views have been controlled since graphics were invented. Just like when controlling a camera, to look up and left you would pull down and right.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Not sure if the only cameras you're thinking of are tv/movie cameras or not, but cameras have been controlled non-invertedly for as long as I can remember.

[-] Fal@yiffit.net 1 points 7 months ago

What? Literally all cameras are controlled invertedly. It's literally how human biomechanics work too. To look up, you tighten the muscles in the back of your neck, pulling your head back

[-] Fal@yiffit.net -2 points 7 months ago

Try playing a platformer where left moves your character to the right, and right moves left. AND down moves them up and up moves them down. You'd see how that's unplayable, right?