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I just had a thought like "What if some UFO aduction experiences people claim to have are actually people being kidnapped by the CIA" thinking-about-it

The kind of stories I'm thinking about often go like: "I was driving on an empty road in the middle of nowhere. I saw a bright light," and then either "I remember nothing but had lost time" or "I remember being experimented on by aliens and then put back in my car."

My tinfoil hat side is thinking like, these stories started happening around the time the US admitted to experimenting with abuse, torture and psychoactive drugs in Project MK-Ultra. Alien abduction stories were the most prevalent during this time. (CW: Just a heads up. If you want to read the rest of this post or anything else about MK-Ultra, be warned that it's pretty horrible, and involves some of the most disgusting torture I have ever read about. Death to America.)

Of the surviving documents released to the public about MK-Ultra, the CIA admits to: "kidnapping people it deemed "expendable" to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds."

Part of me wonders how many of these alien abduction stories are just people being kidnapped, drugged with powerful hallucinogens, experimented on and then released with the suggestion conditioned into their mind that it was aliens.

The most famous alien abduction story is that of Barney and Betty Hill, an interracial couple that were both civil rights leaders, definitely people that the CIA would want to fuck with, especially during rising tensions with the Soviet Union, the US government was suspicious of minorities and anyone interested in their rights.

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[-] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Related to the "UFO's as psyop" idea, the reported encounters with "men in black" were probably similar work into drug-enhanced influence/suggestion which served to further expand the "ufo lore"

"Weirdness" of mibs might also suggest the spooks were sometimes dosing themselves (as in the frank Olson case)

[-] shath@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

everyone is out to get me

don't even try it i'm feral

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[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Does 'The CIA assassinated Kennedy' even still count as a conspiracy theory?

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[-] Othello@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

i think lots of hair salons sneak relaxer into the deep conditioner. also your theory is cool!

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

you should watch a movie called Tribulation 99 by Craig Baldwin. Made up from pure archive footage of all sorts, it's a satire of right wing conspiracy movies, going through all of the various crimes committed by the CIA in South America, and attributing them to insane alien theories and mind control devices. For example, the assassination of Orlando Letellier is described as a spontaneous combustion event.

It's funny, completely insane, and actually really informative. It's free on internet archive. Less than an hour long too.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The project Aurora hypersonic spyplane exists and I saw it as a kid. Those pulse jet clouds were real I swear!

Another one has to do with the area around Pelindaba in South Africa. Pelindaba is currently South Africa's main nuclear research centre and where the nuclear weapons were developed and assembled during apartheid. There are so many unfinished roads and highways in the area. There is literally a flyover bridge just sitting in the middle of nowhere, as the planned highway was supposed to go under it. One of the highways just ends by a tollgate, with the paved road continuing past. Also my conspiracy is that they kept a ballistic missile inside the Hartebeespoort dam there, ace combat style. One of those that can be launched underwater, like the ones used in submarines.

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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Piggybacking off of this, Bob Lazar was an example of a successful MKUltra operation

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[-] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

here is a piece fleshing out what OP is saying about the Hill case for anyone interested

https://booty.substack.com/p/the-hill-abduction-as-counter-insurgency

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