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I just had a thought like "What if some UFO aduction experiences people claim to have are actually people being kidnapped by the CIA" thinking-about-it

The kind of stories I'm thinking about often go like: "I was driving on an empty road in the middle of nowhere. I saw a bright light," and then either "I remember nothing but had lost time" or "I remember being experimented on by aliens and then put back in my car."

My tinfoil hat side is thinking like, these stories started happening around the time the US admitted to experimenting with abuse, torture and psychoactive drugs in Project MK-Ultra. Alien abduction stories were the most prevalent during this time. (CW: Just a heads up. If you want to read the rest of this post or anything else about MK-Ultra, be warned that it's pretty horrible, and involves some of the most disgusting torture I have ever read about. Death to America.)

Of the surviving documents released to the public about MK-Ultra, the CIA admits to: "kidnapping people it deemed "expendable" to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds."

Part of me wonders how many of these alien abduction stories are just people being kidnapped, drugged with powerful hallucinogens, experimented on and then released with the suggestion conditioned into their mind that it was aliens.

The most famous alien abduction story is that of Barney and Betty Hill, an interracial couple that were both civil rights leaders, definitely people that the CIA would want to fuck with, especially during rising tensions with the Soviet Union, the US government was suspicious of minorities and anyone interested in their rights.

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 92 points 8 months ago

the CIA backs and boosts absolute nonsense conspiracy theories like flat earth, tin foil hats, and Obama being a lizard to discredit the notion of conspiracy theory entirely

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 40 points 8 months ago

I absolutely believe this. It's a low cost move that pays huge dividends in convincing "smart" people that conspiracies never happen.

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

Sometimes I wonder whether some of the very popular conspiracy theories are also this. The conspiracy theorists are super attached to 9/11 and the JFK assassination, but not to the incredibly suspicious shit that happened right after (Iraqi WMDs, Lee Harvey Oswald murder).

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 30 points 8 months ago

There IS evidence of that lol. All the domestic counter-intelligence and psyop point to exactly that. And they literally have memos saying they planned on turning the term “conspiracy theory” to mean “crazy nonsense”. Like actual documents saying: we’re doing this!

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

I also think they boost right wing propagandists like Pragur

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[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 87 points 8 months ago

the trudeau castro thing, it doesnt effect anything really but the idea is pretty funny

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[-] THC@hexbear.net 60 points 8 months ago

I think there's probably a lot more human experimentation going on than any of us would like to think.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've always similarly assumed the number of human clones running around is higher than is known or acknowledged.

Not like, body double shit or anything like that. Just people out in the world who happen to be cloned from someone else. If they could do it with a sheep decades ago, there's no way some obscure billionaire freak hasn't at least tried to bankroll the creation of unregistered human beings for dubious purposes.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 57 points 8 months ago

Wait until you hear about twins

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Cloning has a very high failure rate particularly among large animals. That and humanities long gestation period and slow growth rate make it unlikely. But maybe, I wouldn't put it past them

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[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 57 points 8 months ago

The reason movie theaters switched from reel projection to digital projection was to undermine the projectors' union since digital projection can just be automated.

Popular media whether it's music or film or whatever is decided by studios and labels as opposed to organic popularity. (Obviously not all cases are true, but I feel there's a lot of cases where it is true.)

[-] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

music definitely. radio stations have always been paid to put songs on the air.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

It was called 'payola' back in the day. Probably still is.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 54 points 8 months ago

I strongly believe that a lot of the internet is dead and that it's just chugging along with a digital Potemkin village of activity and relevance, with no further input from living people needed or even wanted.

Much like how "oops, the stonks-down did a fucky wucky today so livelihoods must end" tea leaf reading is just taken for granted as meaning something, way too many people just trust "googling it" or whatever a Wikipedia entry says and go with whatever is then put in front of them.

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[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago

You know how cheap electronics (like a lot of Halloween decorations) specify not to use rechargeable batteries? I think that's just a ploy by Big Battery to sell more batteries.

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[-] wahwahwah@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That 99.9% of the time social media "virality" is just admin from YouTube and TikTok manually choosing which of their favorite influencers are forced upon users. I'm not even talking execs here, just low-ranking code monkeys and paper pushers on a power trip.

That most Meta workers abuse their power and read users' DMs. Pretty sure this has been confirmed, though not by Zuck and the gang—just random ex-employees. I knew a guy who worked for Facebook who my gut-instinct says was cyber-stalking me. He let a piece of really personal info about me slip during a convo. It wasn't a dark secret, just something that I'd barely told anyone. I assumed that maybe my friend had told him, but she said she'd hardly spoken to him.

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[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

i'm convinced kurt cobain was transfem. for more on this, read the excellent piece kurt cobain will have his revenge on the straights

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[-] Helmic@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

There are secret drugs only rich people know about.

[-] don@lemm.ee 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How microwave ovens often have a “popcorn” button, only for most microwave popcorn brands strongly warning against the use of the popcorn button. Makes me think the oven manufacturers have an irrational hatred for popcorn enjoyers and made the popcorn button activate a secret overpowered microwave mode to slowly kill the innocent popcorn enjoyers, and the popcorn brands are fighting back by quietly warning the popcorn enjoyers of the evil microwave oven manufacturer’s evil plot to kill them

Power to the popcorn 🤘

[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago

Technology Connections just put a video out about this!

TL;DWPopcorn manufacturers don't know what kinda microwave you have--one with a good popcorn button or not--so they err on the side of caution.

There are three types of popcorn buttons:

  1. Purely timer based: these suck and should generally be avoided. A telltale sign is if they ask the size of the bag prior to popping.
  2. Moisture sensor based: these can work pretty well. They detect the puff of moisture that escapes from the bag once it pops open and then use a short timer from there. Depending on where the moisture sensor is, it might slightly overdo it, but it's probably still fine.
  3. Microphone based: might find these in fancier microwaves--these do exactly what it says on the bag, listening for a gap over greater than two seconds between pops before stopping. The gold standard!

The main takeaway from the video is that there's no harm in trying the popcorn button (and other such features) on your microwave. Just press it and see what happens--if it sucks, well, you can stop it before it burns the popcorn, and now you know. Experiment! Maybe even read the manual if you're so inclined. You might just find some neat features you paid for that are actually worth using!

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[-] Moss@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

No music becomes popular organically on tiktok. I believe that every song that becomes popular thought tiktok is either tailor-made to be easy to put in to tiktoks (like having some very widespread, easy to use message or a dramatic transition), or record label pay tiktok to push videos that include their songs. My reasons for believing this is that nearly every song that becomes popular on tiktok is garbage and no one can genuinely like that shit

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[-] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

When Blizzard was gearing up for the original release of Overwatch, they discretely funded a ton of porn as part of their marketing for the game. There's no other explanation for why those characters were so prevalent and then dropped off so hard.

Dead Internet Theory is at least partially true. Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook all have scores of bots pumping engagement numbers with algorithmically generated content that is nearly undetectable in part because it's so prevalent that we've all learned to think that that's just how people on the internet talk. Most of the twitter weirdos people get mad at have just been bots going off on a weird word-association tangent.

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[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
  • US intelligence knew (if not made possible) what was going to happen on 9/11

  • Isreal intelligence knew (if not made possible) what was going to happen on 10/7

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

And both of those things were the result of US intervention to "stop the spread of communism" yea

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[-] MamaVomit@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

Not using RFC 3339? Unfortunate, but not the end of the world

Mixing date formats in the same post? Immediate gulag

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[-] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I too enjoy the lore of the traditional UFO stuff. It interests me because of it's development coinciding with birth and growth of the leviathan-like American national security state at the beginning of the Cold War. I want to try writing some sci-fi around it for my own enjoyment, specifically on the present generation of politicians fascination with it.

I want to someday share some ideas for the world building with my fellow Hexbears, since I want to explore the political economy aspect of this scifi topic in the story. I thought that would be interesting idea to look at in a community of materialist thinkers.

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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

The metal tips on the ends of shoelaces are called aglets

Their true purpose is sinister

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[-] asg101@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

That the movie "They Live" was actually a documentary.

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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

Korea Airlines 007 was actually attacked by giant crabs that plucked the plane out of the sky and ate the passengers. The Soviet Union and US teamed up to cover it up because it would undermine the aviation and fishing industries if people found out about the mountain-sized crabs.

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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

I never thought about it that way but that actually seems plausible to me.

No, I'm not in on it, but I think the idea of some secret society running things is somewhat possible. I know this type of conspiracy theory is ultimately a reaction to global capitalism. But it's not an impossibility that these elite, capitalists have some society they join and keep secret. I think about it being similar to how at one point the monarchies that spread throughout Europe were actually all related so, despite wars and differences, they are still family. A secret society of capitalists doesn't negate the truths of capitalism, so anti-capitalist critiques are still valid, but maybe they do hang out at some spot together, talk shop, party, get wasted, and fuck each other. In a way it's harmless because the secret society itself is not the issue, their brutal capitalist form of life is the real harm, and it's very possible that they have some group to support shared interests even if it's filled with people who otherwise hate each other. It's likely not the case and I don't truly believe it but I think it's possible.

Also, there are totally massive sea monsters from legends in the ocean we haven't found yet. That's not a conspiracy theory, just straight facts.

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[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

I'm of the belief that the contemporary existence of foot fetishes was the result of some shady scheme by some group (fuck knows who).

Yeah, yeah I know that there's examples erotica involving feet dating back as far back as ancient Greece, but hear me out:

In 1998, a study was carried out analysing porn magazines released between 1964 and 1994. They found that women's feet became a much larger focus when the HIV/AIDS epidemic was in the public consciousness and drew a comparison to a spike of foot fetishism in the European continent during the syphilis epidemic of the 19th century, concluding that foot fetishism is connected to fears of catching STIs.

I disagree, by focusing specifically on porn and not the larger cultural milieu, they had missed the mainstreaming of foot fetishism in the movies and TV that predates the epidemic.

MASH, held the record for the most watched episode of TV in its final episode (so big in fact, that there was a surge in toilets flushing shortly after the episode ended that did lasting damage to New York's sewer system). Now MASH is a comedy series that frequently falls back on joking about how foot obsessed its main cast is, to the point that one episode even has a subplot of Hawkeye being assigned to inspect everyone's feet and reveling in his fetish.

This is but one example, media of the time was full of the stuff. And it wasn't just you Americans who were being indoctrinated into worshipping at the altar of feet. You can find foot fetishism emerging in culture all around The West™ at the time.

Two questions, then, remain:

Who is responsible for this media blitz?

And,

Why did they do it?

My theory is that it was a collaboration between the CIA and MI5 to try to determine just how deep their propaganda can effect people by implanting a fetish into the larger public zeitgeist.

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[-] utopologist@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

The nasal swab COVID-19 tests that are still somewhat affordable give false negatives waaaaaay more than they say

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[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

Professional sports are not rigged in the literal sense of the word but they most certainly have strongly influenced outcomes

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[-] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm with you OP

Check this out, CIA staged the earliest 'canonical' ufo abduction, of Brazilian farmer Antonio Villas Boas in 1957

https://hexbear.net/post/201237

more reading here (part 1 of 9 of series on Bosco Nedelcovic) https://tannerfboyle.substack.com/p/the-bosco-in-brazil-pt-1

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

Sausage stands gets to have the good sausages that big sausage won't let consumers buy in shops.

Prince Joachim, the second child of queen Margrethe is the illegitimate son of the late count Schack who left the prince his castle in his will.

The Beatles haircut was secretly promoted by the British royal family to allow prince Charles to hide his big ugly ears under his hair.

The French are deliberately putting some of their best wine in bottles of bad wine in order to create artificial scarcity and keep prices high.

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[-] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aviation#

I think the "Pioneer era" of aviation history (1903-1914) was probably preceded by more flight than is widely acknowledged, perhaps because the patrons of these unrecognized early aviators had the incentive and capability to obscure any developments in aviation they had made, both for reasons related to personal economic gain (think 1800s capitalist class, protecting r&d investment in a tech not ready for market), and/or to state security (think the relations of that same class to emergent state, their proto-intelligence/security apparatuses) - basically the Reconstruction Era deep state MIC had steampunk Black Helicopters, and they were using them to do UFO-coded psyops

Consider the "Mystery airship" phenomena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_airship

I especially love this particular encounter in illustrating the way this all prefigures the relationship between the UFO phenomena and the CIA (and adding on, to drive home the relevance here more broadly: "cults" -> trafficking/blackmail/recruitment -> black ops, strategy of tension, anti-communism)

One witness from Arkansas – allegedly a former state senator Harris – was supposedly told by an airship pilot (during the tensions leading up to the Spanish–American War) that the craft was bound for Cuba, to use its "Hotchkiss gun" to "kill Spaniards".[27]

👀

Consider Rufus Porter's failure to bring his "aeroport" airship to market in 1853 https://newenglandaviationhistory.com/rufus-porters-aeroport-airship-1853/

Consider posthumous "outsider artist" Charles Dellschau's "Sonora Aero Club" active 1850-1858, purportedly as part of a wider secret society called "NYMZA" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dellschau#Posthumous_recognition

the Confederate helicopter is right there he-admit-it
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/plans-little-known-confederate-helicopter

for further reading, this semi-satirical(?) piece about the "secret history" of "anti-gravity" tech has a lot of relevant details

https://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=202006037850.the_secret_of_apergy_gravitys_second_phase

and here's a fun 3 part series on the "Mystery airships" in vintage magazine Fate, with lots of details related to the above stories but which ultimately ties it all to aliens nyet

https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_278_v26n05_May_1973_/page/n83/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_279_v26n06_June_1973_/page/n95/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_280_v26n07_July_1973/page/n59/mode/2up

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[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

The one about Avril Lavigne dying and being replaced by a double just won't leave my brain. fry

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[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Did anybody ever read the later, weirder Dune books where they reveal that the bene tleilaxu's axolotl tanks are just what remains of their female members? That's what's in that bunker on Epstein island. They honeypot young white girls and then drug them and strap them to tables where they use IVF techniques and fertility drugs to force them to continually produce rich losers like Noam Chomsky and Bill Gates' quintuplets. Then they move the children to incubators as soon as they're viable and raise them in secret bunkers so that after the apocalypse these 'superior' specimens can emerge to rule what's left of humanity.

This is the secret they killed Epstein to protect.

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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

I'm convinced the myth of getting ”enough” protein is perpetuated by the meat industry as well as the food industry in general. You still hear the ”I must eat muh meat to get muh protein” line constantly and the shelves of your local grocery store are probably packed with different ”protein” snacks, even though it's not that hard to get enough protein from plant-based sources and you probably don't need to supplement protein unless you work out like Dwayne Johnson.

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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

Chemtrails aren't widespread but they seem like they very well could have been used for MKUltra stuff back in that era. It's absolutely not beyond the U.S. to say, spray a bunch of LSD and pesticides over some town in Iowa just for kicks in the 50s or 60s.

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[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago

New Coke was a ruse to switch Coke to corn syrup.

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