RTS died when zoomers were like 5, nerd
StarCraft killed it by being too fucking good.
Pretty much. Blizzard supported the hell out of that game. Tweaked everything until it was perfect. At launch, it was as good as anything else at the time, but it wasn't knife-edge balanced like it became.
Modern Blizzard isn't capable of that anymore, and neither is anyone else. The genre can still innovate and provide perfectly good experiences otherwise, but it will always have this spectre of "not balanced like Starcraft" hanging over it.
The genre can still innovate and provide perfectly good experiences otherwise, but it will always have this spectre of "not balanced like Starcraft" hanging over it.
Which is weird, because if you have a 3 faction RTS, the simplest, most balanced solution is to copy Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Wow, I didn't manage to kill a whole genre when I was 5. Some ants maybe, but not a genre.
True. There's a picture of me at five years old playing dawn of war
RTS has been a dead genre since long before Zoomers started buying anything.
I don't think RTS was even big when RTS was big. SC1 and wc3's custom map scenes were way bigger.
A lot of the games that killed the RTS genre were even games from that custom map scene.
(That all being said, it didn't exactly die. Just it didn't grow the way Moba did)
Exactly! Tower Defence, MOBA, and all the other games built out of the RTS engine in custom maps replaced it, and this all happened years before Zoomers were even walking much less playing advanced video games.
Blaming the RTS genre dying on zoomers would be like blaming them for killing 90s rap, they had nothing to do with it and it's downright ludicrous to suggest.
Maybe what we miss is battle.net. It was essentially an endless games playstore and you didn't need to pay for any game modes. It was gamer paradise and we didn't even recognize it back then. We live in a gaming dystopia now
fake news from anon. The problem is that we hit the supply cap/population limit/CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS so no more RTS... sad.
Just kidding, forget about all of those, we have Beyond All Reason: a free and open source RTS game set in space. Actively in development, cross-platform and has a unit cap way higher than any of the RTSs from the 2000s.
YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
(My friend from across the room, imitating the same voice)
YOU'RE ABOUT TO LOSE AN ALLY
BAR is fantastic, highly recommended.
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In what world is RTS dead? Strategy games in general have been making a huge comeback in the past five years or so. I would aks if this dude (because we all know it's a dude) lives under a rock, but he's on 4chan so we know he does.
RTS is pretty dead at the moment. The most popular titles are over a decade old. Anything newly released has failed to gain traction. There's a couple games in development that are promising, but they aren't close to releasing.
Strategy in general is pretty popular, but it's really not the same as rts, which has mostly come to mean shitty mobile games.
idk I live in South Korea and Starcraft is still going quite strong.
That's like saying Burgers are popular in the USA.
that's literally the only thing South Korea is known for
I know, right?
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Isn't AoE2 thriving?
I like AoE2 but it feels like there is just one Way you can play the Game. It's not much about Strategy more about "How fast can you follow these callculated Steps to Win". Or Maybe i play with the wrong People
Yes.
??? RTS' require crackhead adhd attention splitting to be good at, not planning and concentration
By their own logic zoomers should be taking to them like fish to water
4x had been dead for a decade before their rebirth. RTS is not even dead. Total war warhammer has great real time tactic and several RTS have been out. Aoe4 came this year. I don't understand what people are missing.
The ongoing support for Age of Empires 2 is proof that the RTS will continue to endure, and they got it 90% perfect a couple decades ago. Microsoft was even able to do it without ruining the previous versions of the game... looking at you warcraft.
People just like shitting on generations younger than them for the same shit their older generations shat on them for.
It's these people who are shit, not the generations.
Reminds me of how when Animal Crossing New Horizons released, there were loads of people who would change their console time to accellerate the game's time progression feature and then they were complaining about a lack of content merely weeks later
It really grind my gears. Some people will play 200h in a month when a new game and complain about endgame/content.
Fucking mental. You got 200h out of a game which is fucking great.
Would kill for another Star Wars RTS in a similar vein of Empire at War
RTS isn't dead, it just became shittier, runs on smartphones and has lots of micro transactions now
I used to like RTS when i was younger, Starcraft, Age of Empires 2, Rise of Nations, Empire Earth, Warcraft 2&3, command and conquer red alert.... nowadays RTS just stresses me out. I think it's the multitasking. I do enough multitasking in my job I I'd like to let my brain rest when I'm done working. I also don't play Sim games like city builders for the same reason. I have had Starcraft 2 installed for years and am only like, 5 missions into the Terran campaign. I want to play it for thr story but the game play just doesn't grab me anymore.
RTS has been on life support for a long time, but there are some community holdouts. People have mentioned AoE already, but check out Supreme Commander which is cheap on Steam and can be played via the Forged Alliance Forever community servers with a custom client, community bug fixes, balance patches, maps, mods, ranked ladder mode, co-op campaign maps, you name it.
Civ 6 is huge. Cities Skylines is great. Age of Empires is still huge and got republished. Company of Heroes is excellent. Total War never ends. Ridiculous.
I'm gonna nitpick you here. Civ 6 is not an RTS. City Skylines is not an RTS, although it has some nontraditional RTS elements. Total war is like a hybrid RTS.
Age of empires and company of heroes are RTSs. The thing that makes an RTS is the Real Time Strategy.
Civ is a turn based 4x. City Skylines is a city builder. Total war is a hybrid turn based 4x and RTS.
RA2 Yuris revenge was best game ever. Even the cut scenes where the best cut scenes ever.
Shortly followed by zeus mater of Olympus.
Which they made new versions if those games. He'll I'd even go for a remaster with expansion pack.
Well, a Stronghold Remake (Remaster?) just dropped and it's exactly what I was looking for. It's probably the nostalgia speaking, but it's still a damn good game.
The genre was dead before Gen Z was alive. Maybe they lack those skills because they don't have any RTS. Ever think about that, anon?
They're attacking the Malon Trees!
We need Battle for Middle Earth 3.
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