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I know things were really bad in 1989, but what made it so bad that people in so many socialist countries just rose up and overthrew their own governments?

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[-] KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago

people in so many socialist countries just rose up and overthrew their own governments

Where do you get the impression from that the people rose up and overthrew their governments?

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Care to elaborate? Honestly curious

[-] JucheStalin@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but the dissolution of the ussr was entirely undemocratic. They also violated the constitution, which did have provisions for leaving, in order to do so.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Look up how color revolutions work. They are very much not organic, they are engineered from the outside, and this was the case for most of the counter-revolutionary events of 1989. In Romania it was even more blatantly not a popular uprising, not only was the initial unrest that was used as a smokescreen to mask what actually happened fabricated by western-funded counter-revolutionary cells operating out of Hungary, but what ended up destroying the socialist state was a straight up military coup.

Though the official history that is taught there nowadays doesn't acknowledge it and pretends it was a "revolution", at the time even observers writing about the events from outside of Romania could see this:

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/marcy/1990/sm900104.html https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/marcy/1990/sm900111.html

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Look up how color revolutions work.

So, similar to the more recent Arab Spring in the early 2010s?

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. The tools and methods used were different back then because things like social media weren't available and imperialist intelligence cutouts calling themselves NGOs didn't permeate socialist countries to anywhere near the degree they did and still do in the countries targeted by the Arab Spring operation or in other recent victims of (successful or attempted) color revolutions like Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, but the essential characteristics are the same.

Incidentally, the much discussed Tiananmen square incident basically followed more or less the same playbook as was pulled in Eastern Europe around the same time, and the main reason why it failed in China despite having succeeded everywhere else is because the CPC had not degenerated to the same level of demoralization, confusion and revisionism as the ruling communist parties of Eastern Europe had in the wake of Perestroika.

Ironically this may have been due to the Sino-Soviet split which led China to pursue a more independent path and as a result was able to resist following the CPSU down the fatally erroneous path it took under Gorbachev. The CPC managed to outmaneuver the imperialists and defeat their plot and that is why the West is still so butthurt about that incident to this day. It is even more of a sore spot for them because having failed in flipping China they were also unable to destroy the DPRK since they could not fully surround them.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The Arab spring was a color revolution

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago

It started with Krushchev and all went downhill from there. https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Soviet_Union

By the time of Gorbachev, revisionism had taken hold and the economy was mismanaged. It was still better to live in the USSR than the nascent Russian Federation (and even today arguably), but there were lots of problem popping up.

In China you can actually get a master in the history of the dissolution of the soviet union, they've studied it extensively so the same fate doesn't happen to them.

[-] ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Here are some resources on it. In most cases, it was a combination of internal revisionism and Western infiltration:

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago
[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

disillusionment with the government, decades of stagnation and lack of revolutionary spirit

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