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submitted 1 year ago by const_void@lemmy.ml to c/unixporn@lemmy.ml

The Wikipedia definition seems to indicate it has origins as a racist term and I've never understood why unix users have adopted this terms instead of something benign like "themes" or "theming" which I remember being in use long before I ever heard "rice". So what gives? Why use "rice" instead of "theme"?

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[-] aaron_griffin@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

The term comes from car modifications, when people would modify Japanese cars. Folks called them "rice burners" and it evolves from there.

I have never heard this in the Linux community, though, so it might just be a you thing

[-] polymerwitch@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago

I'm not a part of the demographic who would experience racism around this. So, I can't comment there.

I am a white hipster though. So, I usually call my window manager customizations "artisanally hand crafted".

[-] sweet@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

artisanally crafted operating systems lmaooo

[-] nitefox@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

dude, you need a break from the internet

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[-] tkk13909@fosstodon.org 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@const_void nobody cares. If you enter the Linux customization community, see the word "ricer" or "rice", and get offended, you probably need a break from the internet.

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[-] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago

First time I'm hearing of this, how would this possibly be racist?

[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Decades ago it (in my experience) originated from the use of usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to Japanese or other foreign cars (mostly originally Hondas IIRC) to make them look fast or faster without actually doing anything to make them fast. (gigantic rear spoilers, loud exhaust, neon underlights, etc)

In a pretty short time it bled into doing the same to any slow car (I think it was mostly Hondas to start) because so many people were doing it to Honda Civics at the time, then I think (again this is just in my own usage at the time) into usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to ANY car.

There's probably also some connection to "rice burners" which I think predates the word, which I first heard applied to motorcycles, again Japanese brands like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and then later sometimes to cars from similar brands.

The racism in "ricing" comes from the idea that since the original targets of the term tended to be Japanese or other asian cars (Kia, hyundai) and with the perception that rice is closely associated with those cultures -- "ricing out" your car essentially meant "covering it with gaudy fripperies like those Japanese cars."

I understand why some folks think it's racist, and I understand why some folks don't, but I don't use the term anymore because I decided it wasn't that hard to use another word, and just because I don't think it's hurtful that doesn't mean it isn't to someone.

@tables

[-] tables@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

This is a really well thought out post, cheers. I think your choice is fair in the end, but I also think that it becomes impossible to do this for every word that people decide is racist or offensive to someone.

Especially because it all comes from american internet culture and it's hard for non americans to keep track. By this point, every few days some word or internet term or even the name of something in everyday life that I thought was perfectly normal is suddenly deemed immoral by american users. English is a secondary language to me, a lot of my knowledge of it comes from internet forums and such which only makes it even harder because I don't have a deep knowledge of the roots of the language, especially when it comes to slang or "internet terms" I mostly copy what I see. And while my stance used to be the same as yours, that I could just avoid using that word and it wasn't a big deal, I feel like at some point I started losing track of the list of words and I just gave up.

I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it's just... I give up. There's no winning this fight. Someone is bound to be offended by something eventually. If people are refusing to look at context and intent, too bad I guess.

Also, on a side note, I noticed you tagged me while scrolling through the thread, but I didn't get a notification or anything, I don't know if tagged users are supposed to be notified? Just as an FYI as you might've expected that I would get a notification.

[-] BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it’s just… I give up.

rapeseed oil has entered the chat.

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the only context I've heard the term. People use it for theming desktop apps now?

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[-] MeowdyPardner@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

My understanding of the term (from an asian american perspective I guess) is that it at most has a connection to race through the origins of ricing, and since the origins and current usage has never seemed derogatory and is simply about the Asian origins of automotive ricing I don't think it's racist at all. I see it as no different to any other term that reflects the origins of something that is connected to a specific ethnicity, especially when the term isn't derogatory and isn't used to otherize (which is how I consider model-minority stereotypes to be racist despite not being "negative").

[-] dedale@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

You should stop focusing on vocabulary and get your mind on intent, this is getting stupid.

[-] NathanUp@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Why is it stupid to discuss whether the language we use could be harming people? If you're not interested in joining that discussion productively, you could simply scroll on.

[-] dedale@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The language used is not going to harm people. The intent is, which was my point.

Read -> Parse the meaning -> React accordingly. Is a correct way to communicate.
Read -> React to trigger word -> Disregard meaning Is not. It's just conditioned response.

If you do not think disagreement is a productive contribution, maybe you're not looking for a discussion.

[-] NathanUp@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let me get this straight:

In the following scenario, the app developer is in the right?

  • App dev: Here's my new app! It's called F----T, for FAntastic Gnome Game On Terminal.
  • Me: Hey, that word is offensive to me and others like me, it's a word we hear before being beaten, bullied, killed, or discriminated against. Do you think you could change it?
  • App dev: No. My intent was not to discriminate. You're being unreasonable.
  • Me: The fact that you are unwilling to even entertain changing the app name from a well known slur used against people like me makes me feel completely unwelcome.
  • App dev: Sounds like your problem, sticks and stones.
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[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

Yes, it is a derogatory term from car modification. Taking away the context doesn't make it any less racist.

[-] fantasy95@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Taking away the context doesn’t make it any less racist.

How doesn't it? I would argue most people who use the term 'rice' aren't even aware of its origins.

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[-] cocolopez@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

This is the same as people not using Gimp because they never understood what really means and feel it's derogatory. Sometimes a word is just that, a word, and there's no profit from overthinking it. But in the same regard you can use the term "theme" if it makes you happier.

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[-] tables@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Being a non-american, I never really liked the term "rice" because it's not an intuitive term to convey modifying or customizing a system. But I have used it because that's what the subreddit used to call it. I never thought it might be racist as I never saw anyone use the term in a racist manner - I can't even understand how it could be racist - outside of this community, rice is just a word for something I eat for most of my meals. But again, I'm not american, so I might be lacking some cultural context - the whole culture war thing kind of escapes me and I'm not up to date on the list of forbidden words.

[-] X3N0T1CT@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It came from car enthusiasts. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

That's a retcon FWIW.

[-] adibis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
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[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

[-] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Or Rage, I'm always angry customising

[-] DrownedAxolotl@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, is this like a joke post making fun of what was posted in the pcmr community? I'm legitimately asking, I can't tell if this is a troll or not.

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know but it seems like it's a 'nix thing.

I was in the Windows customization scene for years and never heard the term "ricing" until I discovered customization on Linux.

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[-] gumpy@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm surprised to see it suddenly in wide use here, honestly. I've been 'in the linux community' for 25 years or so and only started seeing people use it in this context in the last month. Jarring isn't the right word but it seems sudden to me knowing the connotations from the mid-to-late 90s car culture.

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[-] some_guy 8 points 1 year ago

Never heard either, but ricer would clearly be racist as there’s no general contemporary reason for the word.

[-] curiousgoo@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

You could also say it is riceist

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[-] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I only know the term form car tuning. And specifically used for tricked out Japanese cars. The term picked up steam after Need for Speed - Tokyo drift.

Besides that it’s also used for Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Only cosmetics and no performance, the opposite of a sleeper car. In this case it’s a bad thing. And if a word is used in a bad way and has a possible race connection in can be considered racist. If someone feels offended because an it’s race related, just assume it’s racist.

[-] Syudagye@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

i've never seen it used in a pejorative way, and the usage and meaning of the word in collectif consciousness is "theming". So even if it was used in a bad way, it's not relevent anymore, since the meaning have changed.

[-] mpiepgrass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[-] drdnl@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

I thought it had to do with the fact that most themes on Linux consist of a large collection of dotfiles, dots, rice. But that might just be me

[-] SkepticElliptic@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

No, it originally was a derogatory term for people who modify japanese cars. Then it began to apply to shoddy or garish modifications to any car. Then people started using it to mean modifying something to their own tastes.

[-] 20gramsWrench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

It's uses in the theming space is already ironical since it's supposed to be a pejorative term for cars, it's use is way beyond it's origins now, and it's root in racism is flimsy at best, if one day goth groups start hanging out in gyms to bother people doing sports, calling them gym crows won't be a racist statement despite what the wiki will say about it.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I first heard the term coming from Asian dudes talking shit to white dudes about their cars, so I never saw it as racist.

[-] isbiltur@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's racist. I just don't like it. Themes or theming works for me. It just makes me think of the kids who install kali and describe themselves as haxors.

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