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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Damaskox@kbin.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Greetings.
I'm in quite of a pickle here, and just thinking about it will get me nowhere.

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I attend a group hobby weekly.
Quite often we go for a follow-up hang-out in the local bar. I recall everyone else buying a drink and coming to sit down to have a chat.
I don't buy anything. I wait for the first of us ordering and then I follow them to the table.

One of our attendees has commented on my behavior twice so far.
First she said that I'm a bum. That I use the bar's staff and the place for my own benefit. There's a chance that she said that in front of someone else.
Last night she commented that I'm still doing this (we two sat alone for a while). She's afraid that they'll throw us out because of my behavior.

I explained that I rarely buy stuff from bars.
On the second comment I said that I'll probably continue this behavior to the end of times and they won't throw us out because everyone else spends money. And that my friend said that she or her friends do the same thing quite commonly.
I could have felt her loathing upon me.

I don't have the money to buy pricy consumables.
I have my own water bottle and sometimes snacks from a market to keep my belly full enough. Or then I don't eat anything and eat later.
I'm there because of the company.

The employees haven't commented anything about my behavior. I don't know, would they even care.

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Thoughts?
Am I unfair or is she?

I'm thinking about asking her next time that should I just leave if I'm such a bother to her.
I'm also thinking about suggesting us to talk about this as a group.

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EDIT: I don't think this is about alcohol. I believe most of them order something else cos it's late Monday and most people go to work the next day.
EDIT2: We don't have the tipping culture here.
EDIT3: Thanks for all the comments! You give my mind and feels some peace 💗

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 83 points 8 months ago

I'm a waitress. As long as you're not making a mess, and you're keeping company with people who are patronizing the establishment, you're fine. You said you're filling your own water bottle? Sounds like you're making no additional work for the service staff, so don't worry about it.

[-] Damaskox@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

I have my water ready before I even enter the place.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 8 months ago

As a person who worked in the industry for a decade, they clearly don't care, or they would have said something. I'd only care if you were starting trouble and that is clearly not the case. Some bars will care about bringing in outside food or drinks, but that's about it.

My honest advice: just order a water from the bar. In most bars (at least in America) the water is free and the bartender will just assume you're the DD, and it might shut your clearly crazy/controlling friend there up.

[-] pineapplelover@infosec.pub 11 points 8 months ago
[-] aMockTie@beehaw.org 18 points 8 months ago

Designated Driver, i.e. the person who won’t be drinking any alcohol so that they can safely (and legally) drive the rest of the group home. Mostly a US thing where driving is the primary means of transportation.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

DD is common in Australia too. Sometimes they even give you free fizz to DDs.

[-] Nihilore@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Designated driver

[-] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 52 points 8 months ago

I would go with something along the lines of: "it's called responsibility, Friend. I have my own finances to consider, and I am not responsible for the bookkeeping of this establishment. There is no drink minimum. Let the bar's business be theirs, mine be mine, and yours be your own."

[-] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago

To go one step further, ask a server in front of them if it's ok if you hang out and don't drink, if I'm with a group. They will say "yes, that's fine".

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Just the last sentence imo. The rest is debate and I’m not sure there’s a point laying out reasons and getting into it with her.

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

You're there with a whole group of people who are all spending money, and you're not making any demands of the staff, so I doubt that anyone who works there is upset by it.

It sounds like this lady is just looking for an excuse to be upset about something.

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're not a bum. She's being rude saying so.

The business is there to make money, so naturally they want everybody there to spend money. And businesses have been very successful in making people think they have to justify their presence. It's ok to not have something squeezed out of you just for being there. If it's a problem for the business, let them speak up, but having people try and shame others into doing things they don't want to do is not behavior I would want in my social groups.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

It sounds like THEY chose the bar as a meeting place. It's not your fault that's where they chose to associate. Did anyone say, "Let's meet at the bar to hang out, but only those that buy bar stuff?" I doubt it. You shouldn't feel pressured at all. It's her problem. In fact, as far as I'm concerned SHE should be the one to leave if she's uncomfortable. Or here's an idea, she could offer to treat you to some onion rings or something, instead of complaining. If I sensed that someone in my group was not buying at the bar we meet in, every time, I'd start to think that person either had a drinking problem or didn't have the money to buy there. Either way, I wouldn't bring it up. I wouldn't want to embarrass the person. I'd probably just buy an extra large something, or "accidently" order two of something and offer it up to that person.

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[-] Thranduil@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

You are not doing anything wrong. Bars are overpriced

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

You’re not doing anything wrong. As far as the name caller is concerned, find a way to respond to her politely yet firmly. Don’t sink to her level, or create reasons for others to criticize your behavior, but don’t take her abuse, either.

Perhaps act surprised if she brings it up again. “I told you that I don’t buy things from bars, and that I’d continue this behavior. What is unclear about that?” You have explained yourself as thoroughly as you need to. Don’t let her put you on the defensive. If she wants to make it an issue, that’s her problem. It’s her turn to explain herself.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tell her to buy you something if she’s uncomfortable lol

On a serious note, are you getting table service or are people going up to the bar and ordering? If table service, I can see why some people might find it awkward, but I don’t think it’s bad to do. If you have to go up to the bar to order, then I don’t even see why she’d think it’s weird.

[-] Damaskox@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago

People walk up to the bar when entering the place, get a drink and take it to tables.

...I'm not sure how they'd get a refill (I don't recall my group refilling) but I'd assume they go up to the bar again.

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

What a ridiculous thing to start throwing shade about. You're there with a group and the group is spending money. I always see people just having water or soda out with a drinking group. Bars even give that out free sometimes, for a designated driver situation. If anything I would guess she has an insecurity about going out drinking at the bar and needs you to be doing the same or else she thinks it makes her look bad.

[-] Damaskox@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

I don't think this is about alcohol.
I believe most of them order something else cos it's late Monday and most people go to work the next day.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 18 points 8 months ago

Look, she's obviously being passive aggressive towards you. The guy saying "tell her to buy you something if she's uncomfortable" is spot on. She's trying to shame you over being different, aka tall poppy syndrome. Show some teeth or she will keep pecking at you. Yes, talk it with the group. If everyone agrees with this bitch it's time to find yourself better friends. You shouldn't be providing an excuse for why you don't want to buy or consume something. Maybe you are not hungry, or you don't want to drink alcohol that late on a weekday or maybe you do intermittent fasting- who knows, what gives, wtf. Seriously.

[-] Elektrotechnik@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I read a couple of answers here, but I thought I'd give my 2 cents anyway. I mostly agree with the others that said it's not a big deal and seems to be a principle of hers.

I saw that you're not from the US. In Germany, there's an unwritten rule that you never bring any kind of food or beverage to a restaurant. We have other fun stuff like most restaurants not giving out free water or charging you for using the toilet if you haven't bought anything.

I could see her being upset with you if you drank your own water and ate your own food in the restaurant. But, again, that's only from my German point of view.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago

That's not just a German thing, here in Canada or the USA it's strongly frowned on to bring your own food or drink to a restaurant or bar. And "no public toilet" snuck in to a lot of places at Covid time and never left.

Fast food is different and definitely not enforced but it's still poor etiquette to eat anything other than small snacks or water there unless you're part of a group. Like a bunch of guys stop at McDonald's but one guy is like nah, I packed a sandwich, I'm gonna eat that.

Still it's kind of expected that guy would buy a coffee or something. This is what I would do in OP's situation, have a coffee or a diet Coke if you're hanging out there for awhile. I wouldn't complain about "pricy consumables", it's like $2.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

Although in some ways i do get "it sucks that I can't make money from people who use the bathroom" when you run a business, also — would you prefer I shit all over the floor? It's not like I go into bathrooms for fun.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

She sounds like a jerk. You sound perfectly normal to me. And having worked in fast food in the past, I can assure you, nobody cares. Now if it's busy and your whole group is taking up table space and not ordering/fine eating, it's polite to leave (especially if it's a sit-down place where they rely on tips), but that's about it.

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

You are not doing anything wrong. She is a bitch.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

Unless your friend works at this place, or any of the staff confront you on it, you aren't doing anything wrong. The bar appreciates the business from your friends, they aren't going to get tied up in a knot just because someone brought in their own water to drink.

Unruly or entitled behaviour will get your group kicked out, paying customers or not.

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 11 points 8 months ago

Just tell her, "I didn't pick the place, you all did. If you'd like me to leave, I will."

[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't get why he should suggest leaving, as the problem is 100% on her. She's inventing the problem - the staff couldn't care less.

This guy is being harassed for not spending money. Like wtf. She should be the one leaving.

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 8 months ago

Initially I was kind of on her side but thinking about it I can't really justify it. As long as the establishment is cool with it you're good. If you're bringing your own food in that's a little worse IMO but the main thing is if you're not spending money don't create more work for them. Just occupying a seat at a table with a group who's all buying stuff should be fine.

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As far as the staff are concerned If the place is packed then I think it's a tad dickish to repeatedly not get anything. It's there's still lots of free space then it's no big deal.

WRT to your other buddies you are taking a bit of a privilege, if all the other people you were going with were also unwilling to buy anything then you would run into trouble wouldn't you. Pointing out someone isn't buying is imo much much ruder though.

Although personally dropping a fiver every 2 weeks to avoid interpersonal conflict seems like a pretty good deal. Ultimately how your other friends view it and the social standing of the complainer matter a lot. If the hobby has shared supplies I would make extra sure that you are contributing your fair share there.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

If most other people didn't buy anything, they probably wouldn't choose to hang out at a bar, and there wouldn't be a problem. As it stands, OP isn't hurting anyone, and anything they're "taking" by being there and not buying is likely negligible.

Based on the staff never having an issue with it, it sounds like in OP's case that they're not taking a seat in a packed place, either.

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[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I will go against everyone here. You should buy a drink. Is polite. And it may make your friends bit uncomfortable.

That being said, while it is not a public place, not sure why they would care much considering others are purchasing something. Maybe your group should locate other location.

[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

If you came there by yourself or with one other person and didn't buy anything, she would probably be right... But if you're in a group, you're fine not to buy anything.

Either way, she's a dick for embarrassing you in front of the rest.

[-] krellor@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't know your local customs, but I would say it is normal for a large group to have one or two people not buy something, but also normal to enforce a no outside food or drink policy. Personally, I wouldn't feel weird not ordering, but I wouldn't eat or drink outside food or beverage while there.

If someone commented on it I'd just ignore them and if pressed, tell them if the bar has a policy they need to post it. Her getting upset is likely second hand embarrassment due to their own insecurities.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago

Regarding outside food/drink, if it were like going to X place then always sitting at the bar I'd agree but a water bottle is a right lol

[-] krellor@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago

I agree with the water, but they did mention snacks from the market which is where I could see the bar objecting if they serve food.

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[-] LemmynySnicket@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

When I used to play poker at a bar, I always got cokes which were always given to me for free. They never cared, they make money on average behavior, not what one guy does once a week.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Talk to the bartender. If they're fine with it, she has no leg to stand on. If they take issue... well, you have your answer.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Just ask for a glass of mineral water or "free" water with lime or some shit. Also, try to transition to caring less about what peeps say and just be as endearing as you can so nobody gives a shit except those who are jealous and likely trailing in value generation in the context of ur group

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

If the bar cared they would say something to you.

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[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

It's called a third place, it's a public place where you can just hang out. It should be more normal to just hang out somewhere and not spend a bunch of money. If a group wants everyone to buy something as a customer somewhere everyone should talk about it, if there is any dissent and people don't feel comfortable being somewhere without everyone being a customer then the group should pick somewhere else to be (friends houses on rotation, library spaces, rent a room from a conference center, the park, etc).

I hate feeling pressured to buy things. Like if I wanted that thing, sure I would buy it, but I don't so leave alone and let me save and spend my money and stuff I actually care about.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It is not a public place. It is a private establishment that allows some of the public in.

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[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

No outside food or beverages? She’s just overthinking. If you want to be petty comment that she’s a bad tipper. Go overboard with it as in under $20 bill should be tipping $10 minimum, over $20 should tip in the 50-60% range. It would really get in her head if she’s acting like not consuming is hurtful, actually getting service and not paying a fair tip would be much worse (in her head).

[-] Damaskox@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago

We don't have the tipping culture here 🙂

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