There's nuance. Obviously, vote for the liberal over the fascist, it's not even close. However, the fascists are absolutely represented in government, while there's no leftist candidates to speak of. Leftists have to plug their nose and vote liberal, while fascists gleefully vote republican.

Voting is entirely for loss prevention, because ultimately it absolutely impacts minority groups and people who stand to lose a great deal by a republican victory. However, leftists will not be able to move America to the left by voting.

That's why grassroots movements and building up of parallel structures are so important for leftism, it cannot work within the confines of a 2 party Capitalist state, and must be built from the bottom up.

I am not saying I am not voting for Biden, but running on the platform of "vote for us or bad things will happen" is a shitty platform.

Fucking thank you! I read so much bullshit about this group or that one saying they're not gonna support Biden because of whatever, it makes me want to scream

I think there's something wrong with a system that every 4 years have you pick wether you'd rather get repeatedly punched in the face or shot

America got 300mil people and the best 2 candidates to lead the country is Trump and Biden??

I don't want Trump to get another term. And Biden putting on his big boy pants and doing popular things is our best chance to preventing a second Trump term. It's retail politics, not rocket science.

Vote Democrat, but remember they are chosen because they are marginally better, not because they are great.

Do everything in your power to end the rule of a stupid two-party system, for one party going full fascist allows the other to stop fighting for your rights the way it should.

If the DNC wanted to, it could pass ballot & electoral reform. It doesn’t, because FPTP/winner takes all benefits them doubly - either they lose and can fundraise off “red team bad” messaging, or they win power and get their turn at the levers of power.

If you’re politically homeless on the right, anything even slightly to the right of median is preferential to ‘conserve’ the world you’re clutching to. Slowing or preventing change is your mantra politically, because you like the status quo today/previously

If you’re politically homeless on the left, you’re bullied in liberal unity under big-tent centrism, even though it’ll never effectively serve your core interests like right wing unity would. There may be some overlap, but good luck with actual legislative movement on LGBTQ+, unionization, campaign finance reform, alternative policing, etc

Under a different system we’d actually have coalitions and better representation on issues- especially topics with entrenched left-right collusion like foreign policy.

Yeah it's a real moral conundrum. Do you vote for the fascists who want to destroy the country of America, or the other party who wants to bring people together and have some good social programs going. It's really a very tough and confusing choice.

Here's what I don't get about this. If you vote for Trump this time, you know what you're getting. He was already president, so you know what you're in for. Is there really anybody on the fence here? I mean, I understand hating both candidates and declining to vote for either one, but if you vote for Trump, then you agree with Trump.

It does. Biden is able to get away with being toothless and doing things like continuing to build the border wall. It feels like his only redemption is he's not Trump. I will vote my mind during the primaries but if it's Biden, I'm gonna hate that I have to vote for him simply because the alternative is worse.

Really good npr podcast on the medias failing by trying to stay nonpartisan and treat both candidates like they are equal.

Made a point to say there were more articles about bidens dog biting someone than trump saying he wants to execute a general.

Bonkers

The lesser of two evils is still evil. We need a 3rd party.

It's the same thing I was saying in 2020. I'm not voting Biden, I'm voting bye don.

Jeff needs to leave Xitter already

"Both parties are the same" is an obviously silly statement.

At the same time, "Vote for the man who says he can't avoid building Trump's wall, but can use executive power to sell weapons specifically to be used for genocide... Because the other guy is worse." is not a great way to raise voter turnout.

Some of the people criticizing others in this thread have been organizing against genocide. Have been calling their representatives, protesting in the street, etc.

If that's you; Great! My beef is not with you.

If not, and especially if you were telling people to vote for Biden in 2020 because we could "push him to the left"; Maybe work on getting Biden to stop funding genocide and generally push an agenda that will make people want to vote for him.

With current levels of partisanship, turnout is what makes the difference in elections.

Criticizing the very people you're trying to get to vote is at best counter-productive.

Like it or not, if you're campaigning for Biden then you're an embassador for the Democratic party. People notice what you spend your energy on, and what you don't. If you spend more time calling people on the left "stupid" than you do campaigning to end genocide? People will notice, and they will associate Biden supporters with hypocrites that don't actually care about them or people like them.

Being a dick is easier than actually organizing; But it won't achieve your stated goals.

Least deranged "centrist"

I hate that I agree with someone as obnoxious as Jeff "swear words are hilarious" Tiedrich