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"Both parties are the same!"
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Fucking thank you! I read so much bullshit about this group or that one saying they're not gonna support Biden because of whatever, it makes me want to scream
A lot of those people and the enlightened centrists who say "both parties are the same" are disinformation warriors and Russian bots designed to erode support for Biden. Even just 1% or 2% can make a difference in some battleground states.
It really depends on what fields you're comparing. For example, in terms of climate change, both parties, policies will result in the destruction of the planet. Period.
When people say that, they're saying we need radical change to stop the problems right in front of us, and neither party is doing that.
Ok so you DEFINITELY don't know what you're talking about then. Climate change is one of the issues that they're furthest apart on. One has repeatedly made efforts to work with the international community to expand green energy and reduce emissions, and the other believes it's a lie and wants to double down on fossil fuel production and consumption. Just because it's not the immediate, drastic, quasi-legal action that you'd like to see, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
That the thing. We are out of time. Period.
It does not matter unless it is immediate and now.
Except it does matter. If you can keep opposition at bay, slow change can very quickly turn into drastic change if you allow it to compound. The problem has always been people turning back any change made. So long as people still exist to enact change, we're not out of time. Climate change is like riding an elevator down to hell, you can get off whenever you like, but the longer you wait the further you have to climb back up, there is no rock bottom but extinction. Defeatists like yourself are functionally no different than the deniers because you are discouraging action.
No not at all. I'm encouraging that they do something. Right now!
You're the only one discouraging that
5 day account calling people bots. Sus.
Or maybe people plugging their ears and pretending everything is some giant misinformation campaign against their home team because they think they deserve the win without trying are being shocked to find they don't have the support they think is owed to them for simply not being fascists.
If everything you hear is just some fake person with no real problems you miss the people actually complaining about their legitimate ones and feel forgotten about and at best don't vote and at worst vote for the side that agrees that it would be fun to pick on the people perceived as above them.
Biden should at least run debates or else people are just going to be in exactly their own bubble of awareness and have his results of his presidency to work with and hopes and dreams of the other and people suck at objective looks at reality and are much more willing to believe in fairy tales than you think.
And I know my statement makes everyone foam at theouth cause "How dare I say this!" But it is what it is. You must look reality in the face of you want to have any hope controlling it.
Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions. If you want change, find local elections with candidates you agree with. Their campaigns typically pay well, in my experience, or you can volunteer if the pay doesn’t matter to you. It’s more fruitful than throwing your hands in the air and shouting about disenfranchisement.
Yeah the blame for them never codifying Roe into law, their carcass in the supreme court refusing to retire, them running a terrible candidate against the will of their own voters and that candidate running an awful campaign is the fault of... people arguing on the internet
Hillary Clinton was a poor candidate. Why is it that the neo liberals never want to give her any amount of credit for her loss?
People just want human rights, you egg salad. Try not to ruin that for everyone and I won’t call you a smelly foodstuff on the internet again.
I do too, which was why I fiercely advocated for literally any other candidate in 2016. I held my nose and voted for her, but I absolutely called it. Too many people just ignored the base, and it bit all of us in the butt.
She did win the popular vote, for whatever good that does us. But what prevented a Clinton presidency was Russia seeding propaganda about her on the internet topped off with the FBI being used as a political tool. The 2016 Green Party candidate flying off to Russia last year is still a funny little sign of how absolutely fucked we are when it comes to asymmetrical information warfare.
It does us absolutely none. Congratulations on getting your second choice.
…Yeah. That’s what “for whatever good that does us” means.
What the heck? What's the logic on that? People pointing out bad candidates is why they lost? Like seriously how on earth do you blame the weather man for the rain?
Seriously though I point out that blindly refusing to interact with conversation that makes people uncomfortable means not being prepared and the response was that this caused large standing issues with the governmental bodies that have been plaguing this country for longer than a single election?
2016 wasn't the sole deciding factor and everyone is being very emotional and really fucking stupid in here. The push to volunteer is a really good one but doesn't just make up for the idea that people talking are the issue. The share of ideas and push for betterment is necessary and sticking fingers I your ears and blindly blaming anyone that tries to point it out makes you just as fucking blind and ignorant as the people you call lesser.
It's really fucking pathetic. It's like being mad at a doctor who tells you to stop eating sugar cause you are diabetic.
Real simple. I could shut up and you would see no change. Just not hear the conversation about it directly. If you think I or any of the tiny percentage of the real world impact the Internet has is gonna be the changing factor you are incorrectly assuming and overconfidently ascribing power to what happens here. In this fraction of a fraction of a percentage.
Good luck with that prank though. Sounds like a banger of an own.
How long ago were you first legally allowed to purchase alcohol?
And it was mostly Facebook ads. Really misunderstanding what the dangerous part of the Internet is. Not the discussion space.
We are all already polarized and in our lanes here. And stop being age-ist. We are all in this together.
I didn’t mean it to be ageist, it’s just contextual. In the same way that I cannot see an American younger than gen y understanding what the world was like pre-9/11 past an academic level, I can’t see someone younger than 15 in 2016 truly understanding the spontaneous change in the internet in the year preceding the election. It was so tumultuous that, and this is was remarkable to watch in real-time, conspiracy theorists completely flipped across party lines. It literally flipped the crazy script. I admit that I should have phrased it differently, though, and I apologize for that.
Right, people who are “Biden is genocide!!” while republicans would be worse about Palestine and trump is calling for genocide against Central Americans.
If Biden wants those groups to stop being detractors, there is a very easy solution - simply hold a primary for DNC president, and let them cast their “other” vote there. Then Dems can galvanize support for the winning candidate in ‘24.
Unfortunately they know this won’t work due to how massively unpopular Biden is, and so they refuse. So, the problem is that DNC doesn’t want a democratically elected president, they want to try to force a genocidal dinosaur down our throats and somehow at the same time claim that the end of democracy is voting for the other guy. It’s a lose-lose for America - thanks, Biden.
Yeah, Biden doesn't have to support genocide. He can do the right thing. He just chooses not to.
Precisely. The claims of at least trying to protect civilian lives might be believable if the US wasn’t blocking every single effort at the UN to send in peacekeepers to stop the genocide. Or, you know, not approving $14Bn more taxpayer dollars to go towards sending them even more bombs to drop.
Biden’s lies to provide cover for Israel’s war crimes are boldfaced, undeniable, and disgustingly cowardly.
Biden has to earn my vote, just like every other candidate. If you want me to vote for Biden, convince me. What do you like about his platform? Can you convince me to vote for Biden without bringing up Trump?
That doesn't make any sense. You're basically saying that you refuse to look at a suite of potential consequences of your vote. That's not responsible at all.
And yet you need his vote.
What would be the point in that when Trump is the only other candidate who has a chance of winning? The rational thing to do is to compare and contrast them.
If you're not going to vote for either of them, you might as well not vote at all. You're not going to have an effect. Decades of people voting third party have not gotten any third party anywhere. Not even when Ross Perot tried it and he actually had a decent chance.