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Writing program (sopuli.xyz)
submitted 6 months ago by qyron@sopuli.xyz to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Besides Libre Office, what other programs/solutions exist in the Linux world for writers?

(Please, don't suggest VIM. After all the memes and comments I've read, I've come to dread it).

I like writing but the standard Writer tends to send me in a constant formatting spree.

I want to get back to writing regularly and something that could help me stay focused and somewhat organized would be nice.

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[-] SuperiorOne@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

I recommend Obsidian with community plugins. Application itself isn't open-source but your content stored as markdown files.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Obsidian’s fork of Markdown. Don’t expect compatibility.

[-] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

There are extensions for obsidian compatability in Vim and Emacs.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It’s not compatible with other Markdown forks, but the whole Markdown ecosystem is a mess duct taped together by more forks & extensions that aren’t compatible either. Even the common denominator CommonMark is feature-barren & isn’t suitable for documentation or technical writing, but boy howdy will the next guy have his Markdown contraption to sell you.

[-] Elric@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

God he says no Vim and everybody goes on about vim. Please learn to read. It obviously isn't for programming.

[-] MothWaves@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 months ago

Recommendations for OP aside, with sentence-based editing (das/cas/etc..) I feel like vim can be a really good tool for writing.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works -2 points 6 months ago

I honestly use nvim for my general note taking.

[-] callyral@pawb.social 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Any text editor that lets you write Markdown (all of them, since markdown can be written as a plain text file). It's simple but featureful. I would recommend Marktext.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

There is still an older version of Scrivener available for free, from when they were beta testing it on Linux. It still worked well last time I checked. The Windows version also runs really well in WIne, although it takes a bit of setting up initially.

Compatibility is apparently really good on Linux according to CrossOver reports only a month or two ago: https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/scrivener

[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I have paid scrivener and it's a fantastic product for writing a story... or a DnD campaign even!

I haven't shopped around but I switched from word to onenote to scriv and stopped looking. This is from my experience on windows not linix.

Not sure how good the beta is. https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/linux-1-9-01-beta-released/31623

[-] Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago

Typst

You can use their online web-editor (similar to OverLeaf for LaTeX) or download the open-source engine and run it locally (there are extensions available for many text editors).

Compared to LaTeX I find it much more comfortable to work with. It comes with sane, modern defaults and doesn't need any plugins just to generate a (localized) bibliography or include links.

Since Typst is very young compared to LaTeX I'm sure that there are numerous docs / workflows that can't be reproduced at the moment but if you don't need some special feature I'd recommend giving it a shot.

[-] Lem453@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Onlyoffice

Is UI mimics ms office and has comparability with word files.

Not open-source and has some limitations without paying but works on windows and Linux. Can even be self hosted yourself to provide a web UI for access to your own files Google docs style.

[-] Tiuku@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 months ago

If markdown fulfills your formatting needs, then there's no beating it in terms of focus and simplicity. Use whatever text editor you like. My recommendation would be Kate. It supports previewing the rendered document in side by side view.

[-] lapislazuli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

FocusWriter for a minimalist, focused writing experience. You can edit the existing template for a dark theme and white text. I rather like the typewriter font, Liberation Mono (it was Courier something back on Windows). Give it a try. I've been using it for around 3-4 years.

[-] driveway@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago

I'd use OverLeaf. Open source LaTeX editor with cloud storage, simple setup, plugins, extensive documentation.

[-] mcepl@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Not vim necessarily, but I would really suggest thinking about a plain text editor of your choice and some of those lightweight markup languages (Markdown itself, reStructuredText, ASCIIDoc … I prefer rST, but they are mostly the same). Exactly because it allows me to concentrate on the content and ignore formatting. Besides, formatting, do you write for print or as everybody else these days for HTML? Why do you need a large word processor which is build primarily for preparing documents for print? Every serious text editor has some kind of plugins with spellcheckers, grammar checkers, dictionaries, etc.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

I like so say I want someday to see my work out in the world in the form of (e)books, so I want to keep my options open.

[-] mcepl@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Eh? Both pandoc and rst2epub can generate eBooks. All those lightweight markup languages are especially awesome for converting into various output formats.

[-] om1k@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 months ago
[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

That’s what I use for my reStructuredText documents!

[-] kzhe@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

Norka, Apostrophe, Obsidian

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Can I get some links, please?

[-] kzhe@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago

Sorry, I was on mobile.

The spiteful thing to do would be linking Norka and the such but I'll link them: Norka, Apostrophe and Obsidian.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Thank you very much.

[-] tuto193@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I'd recommend https://typst.app/. Super easy to structure text like LaTeX and 100 times easier to use :)

[-] jodanlime@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

If you base your opinion of vim from memes you are missing out. Anyone who can't take 10 minutes to type vimtutor in their terminal is not someone to base an opinion on. These memes come mostly from impatient people that can't read the docs. It's a fantastic text editor.

That being said, it's not meant to be used for written words it's meant to write code and config files. You want to look for a word processor.

Abiword, etherpad, focuswciter are probably the next 3 biggest on Linux behind libre and open office.

Personally I prefer markdown for most things these days but it's not exactly meant for word processing either.

[-] Polyester6435@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

(Neo)Vim is fantastic for writing when combined with some plugins and LaTeX

[-] bellsDoSing@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

IMO (neo)VIM is great for writing text as well, when all you need is markdown level formatting. Personally I use vimwiki a lot (many years by now).

[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

While I'm a big fan of Vim, it's definitely not for everyone.

I spend about half of my writing time in VSCodium, which is a community-based release of Microsoft's open source VS Code editor. There are several markdown, grammar, and focus-oriented plugins for the platform, and you can pretty much shape it into whatever kind of editor you want.

I use VSCodium for the vast majority of my personal notes, technical writing, and project documentation (nearly all of which are written in markdown format).

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago
[-] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 2 points 6 months ago

If you don't need all the features of a full office suit then check out markdown and and editor like ghostwriter

[-] rodbiren@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

I second the motion on ghostwriter. Had a nice focus mode, looks good, isn't distracting. I use syncthing to backup everything. It's my jam.

[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

I use LaTeX, and edit using Emacs. The nice thing about LaTeX is the editor you use doesn't matter.

[-] downhomechunk@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

KDE comes with its own office suite. I've always preferred libre office so I don't have much experience with it, but it's there.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

What do you want from your writing software other than basic text editing?

Mouse or keyboard navigation preferred?

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Prose. Fiction. Not programming. I may learn to code in a near future but I want to start writing for leisure again.

[-] rstein@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It depends on what you want to achieve.

Vi and it’s descendants are brilliant editors for a programmer but not for writing prose. So stay away from them. ;-)

Do you want just to write text without being distracted by an overwhelming gui or are you fine with the hint at options?

Do you want to write in a terminal?

How much do you want to format while typing? By typing the format commands into the text or by clicking on buttons or ctrl-key magic?

Do you need version control?

For each of your combination of answers there are different solutions.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Vi and it’s descendants are brilliant editors for a programmer but not for writing prose.

They work just fine for writing prose too. Though you probably do not need to learn them if you only want to write prose.

[-] goosehorse@livesound.world 4 points 6 months ago

I wrote almost all of my grad school work in Vim and Emacs/Evil, in a non-compsci field! It was fantastic for editing, and I used pandoc to automate proper formatting, citations, and bibliographies for my papers and thesis. 10/10 would recommend to someone who is tech savvy or has a tangential interest in programming.

[-] rstein@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago

If you used pandoc hen you were programming your thesis. ;-)

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

Version control is an interesting idea.

I used to write fiction as a hobbie and want to return to it again.

The blank sheet of a standard text editor messes with my nerves. I lose myself editing, formating, etc.

If I could find a prompt that I could pre set the font, layout of the final work, and then have the program leave me alone, it would be perfect.

Most writers solutions come with a lot of bells and whistles, like word counter, time elapsed, goals, etc. Unnecessary. Distracting.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

If I could find a prompt that I could pre set the font, layout of the final work, and then have the program leave me alone, it would be perfect.

You're describing a workflow using TeX or LaTeX, like typesetters for publisher's use. I don't have a specific recommendation, but in your shoes, I'd look for a CLI text editor (to avoid distractions) that supports word wrapping and do your actual formatting and typesetting totally separately from your writing with LaTeX.

[-] halm@leminal.space 1 points 6 months ago

I've found that for me markdown is the very simplest, yet versatile way of typing out stuff quickly and regularly. And it's not bound to any one software or platform, so I use Markor on my phone and Geany on my laptop.

[-] MothWaves@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I would have said Doom Emacs but given your note about vim, I'm assuming it wouldn't be a great fit for you. Still, I used to write in Darkroom on Windows, because I really liked the totally minimal and simplistic nature of it, and Doom Emacs with writeroom-mode is a perfect upgrade.

As for other alternatives, it all depends on your own taste. I don't think the issue here is really the amount of apps, just finding the right one. You mentioned Writer sends you on a constant formatting spree, so maybe a text editor would fit you better than a word processor like Writer.

In that case, I suggest you look at something that would resemble notepad. Lite XL is my favourite notepad-like text editor but I don't think it's usually available as a package. You can also try Gnome Editor as it is essentially Gnome's answer to the lack of a super-minimalist app like MS notepad on linux. People have mentioned Obsidian and while it's nice, if you're not going to be using Obsidian's graph or linking features I'd say you're better off with a simpler markdown editor, Marktext is pretty nice imo. Sublime text is another good option for customizability, ease of use, and minimalism (Although not FOSS if that matters to you, neither is Obsidian for that matter).

You can also try and find a port of the original darkroom, as far as minimalism goes it really gets it right.

Overall, from what I can gather from your post, I suggest you use Marktext or LiteXL, if possible. Try out one of the other mentioned apps if those don't fit your workflow.

Edit: For clarification, these are my suggestions for writing, formatting is a completely different practice and might need other tools.

[-] Vipzy@reddthat.com 1 points 6 months ago

Kile( by KDE ) if you know latex.

[-] genie@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Others are recommending Obsidian (which I have no experience with, it may be the right way to go).

Myself, I chose Logseq on a whim a year or two ago and haven't looked back. In the backend you get a nicely composed set of plain-ol' markdown files that you can cp/edit/merge as needed.

[-] kzhe@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Norka looks interesting. Also, Apostrophe, Obsidian

[-] rambos@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

If you are looking for microsoft compatibility check OnlyOffice, its amazing

I know you said don't suggest Vim, but I use Neovim for my writing and write in markdown. Any markdown editor will do. Marker is fine. It's really easy to convert to another format like HTML or EPUB with pandoc. Markdown has minimal formatting, too, so it shouldn't bug you so much.

FocusWriter is another good suggestion if that's more what you're interested in.

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