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I'm sorry what? Wouldn't you use cooking oil to fry stuff? What do you need LNG or petroleum for to cook with?

Edit : I am an idiot. Of course. Gas stoves.

The CPC mediated the discussions and played an active role

Nobody denies this. This is also not a big deal. Anybody could have mediated. Do you not know how mediation works in international diplomacy? To state that without China, the different factions of Palestinian resistance couldn't have reconciled is some conspiratorial bullshit - perhaps even an insult to the resistance, in that you think that they were unable to hold a discussion of their own without China's help. Again, it is probably good that China mediated. But this isn't aid, which is what is expected of them.

there’s no chance this wasn’t actively considered.

Even if in your vivid imagination this was the so, they still didn't do it for Palestine. And it probably benefited them more than it hurt the US.

China ensured that the food aid made it to Gaza.

So did the United States. This aid being humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, and not military or financial aid for the Palestinian resistance. This humanitarian aid was delivered through a Jordanian organization that actively avoids working with the resistance just like the UNRA.

Countries send humanitarian aid to other countries - this is so normal and so common. Do you live under a rock? Even countries that are politically at each other's throats send humanitarian aid to each other. This does not mean that the countries politically support each other. When done through organizations not involving the local government, such as what China or the US does, it can even serve to undermine the receiver's authority. The US sends humanitarian aid to the DPRK and Cuba (obviously not through the government). Should the US be praised?

Oh, did I mention that most countries on the planet have sent humanitarian aid to Gaza? The largest one being the United States? Of course, praising the United States or China for said humanitarian aid is detached from the reality that this genocide was committed at the behest of the United States, and was enabled by China, and most other countries that sent aid - A fact you seem so hell bent on admitting.

I bet my ass that you were also defending Nicolas Maduro as he blocked (and rightly so) American humanitarian aid at the Colombian border last year. It is not that you do not understand the nature of humanitarian aid, you just so desperately want to see your precious China support your precious Palestine, and you'll let a few important details slide in your quest to delude yourself into thinking that the PRC cares. They of course, don't, at least no more than the EU, which sent 400 million in humanitarian aid in 2025, the US, which sent 600 million in 2025, and practically every country in the world that is a UN member through UNRWA. All of this so called aid, of course, while it may temporarily relieve the suffering of the Palestinian people, does not answer the Palestinian question, strengthen their position, or help the resistance. If anything, this aid might just undermine resistance, as UNRWA constantly does with not allowing Hamas to handle the distribution of aid. Except for Qatar, Iran and the axis of resistance, nobody has helped Palestinian resistance.

You’re jumping through hoops to deny China’s support for Palestine

Token* support for Palestine.

constantly moving goalposts to justify seeing an ally as an enemy

Nobody said China was an enemy to Palestine. I only ever said China enables the genocide, just like most other countries. They certainly don't commit it. If one were to be lenient, one could say that China is, at best, neutral. But to be neutral in the face of a genocide committed by an apartheid state especially as the largest fucking country on Earth is to be enablers, and that is the standard by which future Chinese generations and the world at large will just current day China, even though you might not because you love your precious little China.

Did I also mention that China helps the US enforce sanctions against the DPRK? I think I did, yes, I did. They have also at times (almost a dozen in the last twenty years) voted for sanctions, and enforce these sanctions themselves by preventing DPRK exports to China and other countries, as well as enforcing import restrictions. The resolutions in 2017 in particular are particularly cruel in that they limit the sale of fuel to the DPRK (the PRC is the largest supplier btw). China enthusiastically supported and enforced these sanctions. They do not stand with the DPRK unconditionally and unreservedly as the USSR did. They only do so when it is convenient and profitable for themselves.

The PRC has its flaws. Perhaps one day you could be mature enough to admit that.

Uniting resistance groups isn’t “material help?”

They didn't unite the resistance groups. They united themselves. China hosted them. They have been hosted by a lot of different countries. Mediating an international dispute is something all large countries (and sometimes small countries) take part in. This isn't special and this isn't help. Was Singapore helping the DPRK by offering to host Kim for his meeting with Trump, while at the same time participating in sanctions? No.

are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well?

Yes. Is this surprising to you? I know for a fact that the Type 88 is fairly common anywhere in the world. Not hard to find. You are skirting around uncomfortable truths. There is literally no evidence for China ever providing arms to Palestinian resistance groups. Neither have they sent arms to groups whose trucks guns could accidentally fall off of.

China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry.

Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily. The largest market of electronics is consumers, not militaries. There is no question that things that China do may end up benefiting Palestine in a roundabout cursory way. That is not the point of contention here. If tomorrow, Xi kicks a stone down the road, and by some large chain of events that followed eventually ends up turning the trajectory of a Pissreali missile such that it missed a building, this cannot be attributed to the good will of China.

donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe

I thought I wouldn't have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about "aid" that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel's sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades. And most importantly, they do not associate with organizations designated as terrorist organizations by the US, ie, Hamas. This aid package does not involve Palestinian resistance. Helping refugees in Jordan would also count towards this aid. In terms of actual material help that would reach Palestinian resistance, China has contributed nothing. The US for example, has provided 600 million in 2025 for Gaza, again, through organizations such as the UNRWA and USAID that respect Pissrael's sovereignty. You know for a fact that this token aid means nothing when the US does it. It doesn't mean anything when China does it either. China also funds the UNRWA by the way, which has the explicit policy of not letting Hamas have any of the humanitarian aid, ever.

Contrast this to Iran or Qatar, both of whom provide actual money to Hamas, both in the hundreds of millions. China's aid is what we call a token aid.

I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.

China does not send aid to Hamas. This is a verifiable fact. China doesn't send money, China doesn't send weapons. China does engage in humanitarian aid that Pissrael allows, which almost every country on Earth also engages in.

Here they are in 2024 providing humanitarian aid

Funny you should link this because they sent the aid to Egypt which was at the time and still is blockading Gaza against the wishes of Hamas.

China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.

Source? Or is this from your vivid imagination as well?

China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome

They why sanction the DPRK? They are able to and can militarily protect their trade with the DPRK.

The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto

The point of these resolutions were not that the US would trade with the DPRK otherwise. It was that other neutral countries, including China would. China themselves have cut trade with the DPRK because of the sanctions imposed upon the DPRK in part by China themselves. The second link I posted is proof of this. Chinese trade volume went down after the resolution. China abides by the sanctions imposed on the DPRK by the UN security council, of which China is a permanent member.

I have no idea how you think you could spin a blatant attack on a fellow socialist state as something neutral.

China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region

No it doesn't. It would mean that the US wouldn't have the symbolic backing of the UN, that's all. They seek a vote in the UNSC for legitimacy. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea. Catch up already, we have had 80+ years of the US-led world order already.

You’re continuing to undermine the significance of the Beijing Declaration

Absolutely not. It is important for what it is, but it is not material help. My argument was and continues to remain that China does not materially help Palestine

China’s sale of weaponry to Hamas

Where? There is no evidence for this ever happening. You posted an article that says that the Diaper forces (famously reliable source of information) has said that Hamas uses Chinese guns. Chinese made guns, if you didn't know, are fairly popular among resistance fighters everywhere because they are cheap. So were Soviet made guns back in the day. African warlords have them. China is funding African warlords as well?

restrictions on rare Earths and vital components for weaponry to Israel and the US Empire

Did you read the press release? They did not stop the export of rare Earth elements because of their potential use in weaponry. And they didn't do it because of Israel. Short of directly selling arms to the Diaper Forces, China conducts most types of trade with Isntreal.

which the PRC does not have yet

The largest economy in the world cannot afford to spare political support for Palestine, eh? I guess countries that do support Palestine do not exist? The assertion that China would be blocked from world trade if they were to support Palestine is mind mindbogglingly inaccurate. Look at Qatar, a small country with an American military base on their soil. They are in no way shape or form independent. Their economy is tiny and they survive entirely on imports. And they have been funding Hamas for ages. You telling me if Qatar who've got America's dick so far down their throat could do this, China couldn't? At this point, even the Russians have done far more for Palestine than China. They significantly re-armed Iran and financed them so they could keep supporting Palestine.

pretend that they are doing nothing

Zilch. They have done nothing material whatsoever. They have not sent aid, in food or clothes. They have not sent weapons. They have not sanctioned Isntreal. They have however, sent their strongest words of condemnation along with thoughts and prayers. History will look back on China as enablers of the Palestinian genocide, as it will most of the world. But hey, they sent a strongly worded letter to the Isntreally embassy in Beijing which still continues to operate housing war criminals inside.

This is not the first time China has betrayed other revolutionary causes internationally. They have even done so much as voting against the DPRK to sanction them at the UN. Repeatedly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1718 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2270

There would have been literally no consequences for China for blocking these. They have, in other instances, blocked similar resolutions, with no consequences whatsoever. Even if there were consequences, they wouldn't be existential or even too detrimental.

This is a pattern of behavior, and is not in the spirit of proletarian internationalism. It has been said that this is even a betrayal of proletarian internationalism. As much as 10 percent of the gross national production of the Soviet Union was diverted to the People's Republic for almost a decade after the Chinese revolution, for free, to help the young project. This is not including countless engineers, doctors and scientists who were also sent over. Where are the Chinese scientists, doctors and advisors in Palestine?

Pretending that your favorite socialist project in the world aligns with your imaginary, perfect version that exists in your mind does nobody any favors. China has achieved a great deal and will achieve a great deal. Proletarian internationalism and the goodwill of communists elsewhere in the third world are not in that list.

The point is not that China would face no consequences at all if they politically supported Palestine (They do not, by the way. As far as I know, they officially endorse the two state solution :vomit:). The point is that they wouldn't do even so much as stopping trade with Israel for the very little consequences they would face. They wouldn't even absorb such a minimal economic impact.

They are capable of extending themselves and flexing their military when they feel like it. They sent their fleet to threaten Australia as a power play. They conduct military exercises in the South China sea. And they militarily threaten Taiwan province and the American military establishment there. Only when it suits them. I haven't seen a Chinese fleet near Israel.

and undermining US imperialism undermines Israel’s basis for existence

You know what would really undermine Israel's basis for existence? Funding Hamas. Which China doesn't do.

to Hamas using many Chinese-made weaponry

Are you kidding me? This is the same as saying that Osama Bin Laden was helped by the USSR because the Mujahideen used AKs. Chinese guns are cheap, so they buy it, with their own money, from people that have bought them. China does not supply arms to Palestinian resistance.

Israel was still genocidal during its existence

The Soviet Union and various entities within the Soviet bloc provided real material help to Palestinian resistance. This that can be counted and measured. Not thoughts and prayers. They did so much as hijack planes to demand the release of Palestinian prisoners

You're talking about China being a mediator for different resistance groups within Palestine. That's not significant material help. That's almost nothing. Many countries mediate discussions between different political entities. This is not new, and this is not a service Palestinians could not have rendered from elsewhere.

Real material support would be Iran, who bombed Tel Aviv. It would be Houthis, who were the only ones who blockaded Israel in accordance with international law. Hezbollah helped my sending missiles to Isntreal. Even fucking Qatar sent, for many years, financial support for Hamas. That's help - real, material help. This, China has not provided in any meaningful way.

I don't know why you wrote your grand theory about how China is going destroy the United States and destroy imperialism and destroy unequal exchange and destroy US hegemony. Regardless of if that is true, or if that is going to happen, the larger narrative that the BRI has anything to do with Palestinian liberation is just wishful thinking. You do not help burn victims by selling fireproof bricks. You need bandages and medication, and you need it right now. You might help future, hypothetical burn victims by making fireproof bricks, but that doesn't help burn victims now.

I don't know what you're trying to prove, but the fact that China hasn't helped Palestine as much as a country of its size and influence could have is rather evident. If the Soviet Union still existed, the Zionazis couldn't have been so blatant in its genocide, never in a million years. This is a legitimate critique of the Socialist project in China.

is an ally to the resistance and mediator between their factions

China is not an ally to the Palestinian people. Allies send weapons and money. Allies fight on your behalf. At the very least allies do not trade with your opponents. China doesn't do any of these. The most China has ever come to being an ally to Palestine was affirming Palestinian statehood. But most countries on Earth have that position, including liberal democratic regimes. That is not a very controversial position to have for a country. Have they called for the dismantling of Israel? Have they affirmed their support for the one state solution? No they haven't. Quit pretending. China helps the bare minimum it feels like it has to. It hedges its bets so that it can come winning no matter the outcome, even at the detriment of Palestinian resistance.

Just remember, Qatar, an Arab monarchy, and a US puppet, even they did so much more to help Palestinians than China ever did.

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Dialectically, China exists in the transitional state between capitalism and communism that we call socialism.

In the primary stage of socialism - officially. Most critiques of the PRC from the left, particularly from Maoists hinge on the idea that China could be much further down the socialist pipeline than they are right now given that they are a middle income economy with comparatively advanced productive forces. Historically, higher stages of socialism were achieved in the Soviet Union than China has in a considerably less amount of time. Of course, you couldn't directly compare the material conditions of Czechoslovakia to a country as large and diverse as China.

The existence of markets and a nascent capitalist class in the base eventually led to the collapse of the largest socialist project to-date, the Soviet Union.

I am refuting your meme independently. What you posted insinuates that what the Soviet Union did is equivalent to what China is doing now. Regardless of who you were replying to, my point stands. Mao would indeed be rolling in his grave if he saw what China was doing today on Palestine. Mao's China would have supported Palestine in a much more substantial, material way, and indeed they did.

The People's Republic of China must not be uncritically supported. The critical in critical support means something. Their (and everyone else's for that matter) trade and profiting off of Palestinian misery must be condemned. Trading with an apartheid state is immoral and unethical.

The difference is that the Soviet Union actually did help Chinese communists and the Spanish partisans. What form of material help has China provided the Palestinian resistance? Zilch.

You didn't even read the quote you posted, did you? "(...) the reason being that it actually is helping China"

This is a legitimate, very material critique of the Chinese project and cannot be handwaved away. It is disingenuous to do so.

The ebil seeepeesee's Robot genocide

Anyone who deliberately targets children is a piece of shit, but in the event that children die when children aren't deliberately targeted, their parents would be responsible for their deaths. Why bring them to a terrorgogue that is fundraising for terrorists? To put the children there is a form of child abuse. It is using your children as human shields.

If you are a Zionist but love your children, move away from Occupied Palestine and don't associate with Zionists. It is easy as pie. Look at me, I am doing it right now. I don't live in Occupied Palestine and I don't associate with Zionists.

If you however refuse to do that, then you are a cruel, vile piece of shit who would condemn your children to harm for your twisted and warped sense of ethnic superiority, and your colonizer ass should be sent to prison and your child taken away from you into protective custody.

I couldn't imagine sending my children off to somewhere where they fundraise for terrorists. Horrifying. It is child abuse.