[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

Is SWCC not diametrically opposed to such a thing ever happening again?

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Beyond superficial/aesthetic elements, I don't think any progressive (who includes gender issues in their progressiveness) is really comfortable with masc gender norms, because they are overtly antisocial and more loudly so than fem gender norms (though the two are inextricably linked). I have an associate who used to think he was NB because he was correctly disgusted with masculinity and sought out being sort of an anti-man as a result (to be clear, he agrees with this characterization). He got as far as spending a couple of months on HRT until, for reasons that tbh I don't think he ever really outlined, realized that his problem was with the whole social order of gender and there isn't really escaping it while living in this society without destroying it. He self-identifies as male again now because that's his sex and he doesn't view it as productive in his case to "present" in really almost any deliberate way.

This isn't me flatly naysaying, mind you, or naysaying at all. I've known at least two people pre-transition who are now enbies (while one is a libertarian shitbag, the other is cool afaik) along with enough post-transition enbies that I would need to think a bit to make sure I have all of them. I think 5? And every single one is cool and, as far as I know, quite happy with their identity.

Why am I saying anything? In part because I'm positive that if I was socialized differently, I would identify as NB for reasons similar to the first person I mentioned. It's arguable that the reason I never got into it was because of some queerphobia when I was younger, though I think the right answer for myself is also the one my associate took. Anyway, I'm not saying it's your case, I don't think anyone should presume what your case is, I just wanted to offer another perspective since it reminded me of some of my personal experiences.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 11 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, look at the OP here: https://lemmy.world/comment/12777548

Emphasis mine:

"Tankies turn giddy over the radicalisation of a child. Already, the child is denying genocide, praising stalin, racist and celebrating violence"

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Independence of the judiciary? Gone, abolished by the last major legislation of his presidency. Judges will now be elected by partisan ballots. Independent election administration? Crippled. Nonpartisan enforcement of government-transparency rules, nonpartisan antitrust enforcement, nonpartisan telecommunications regulation, nonpartisan energy regulation? Abolished, abolished, abolished, and abolished. Only the central bank, after a long struggle, will retain its autonomy from direct presidential control.

*It has links to these claims that I won't bother to replicate

Notice how a lot of what they are talking about are offices being put up for election, and sometimes they even say as much, but then at the end they say "Only the central bank . . . will retain its autonomy from direct presidential control." even though that is not at all what they established was being taken from the other offices.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 16 hours ago

I know it's really not the same thing, but I wonder what that graph is like for literature.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 15 points 16 hours ago

I think that a good thing to mention is the Great March of Return, how a large segment of the population of Gaza was dedicated to pursuing peaceful protest to reclaim their old homes and free prisoners, and they were met not just with rubber bullets and tear gas, but live ammunition, notoriously snipers aiming for kneecaps and essentially competing seeing how many they could shoot, like American settlers gunning down buffalo.

But really, what they are asking for is why you are anti-zionist. Unless you think you've been groomed by hexbear (since that's the popular allegation, or so I've heard), there's no way any of us know the answer to that better than you do. I have nothing against sharing resources with them (maybe spare them the gore if you can), but I think it'd be most effective to give a personal history of your beliefs and what persuaded you. You believe it for good reason, don't you? Then talk about that!

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 60 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Minor quibbling for the sake of ~~post engagement~~ clarity: The term "brainwash" is a literal translation of a term coined by Mao, itself a pun on a ritualistic "heartwashing" that was customary to spiritually "clean" yourself (before? after?) entering a temple. Mao was using it as basically a jocular way to refer to political reeducation. The literal translation itself was first produced by some niche orientalist author who was making theories about chicom mind control powers. It was then adopted by the establishment after those soldiers in the Korean War were, in fact, rehabilitated by China* and renounced the war, confessed to using chemical and biological weapons (which never happened according to the notoriously honest US State Department), and in some cases even fully refusing to be brought back to America, instead choosing to live in the PRC or DPRK.

Another "fun" one is "Ostalgie," a German portmanteau of "Ost" (east) and "Nostalgie" (nostalgia), which is the way that German popular culture characterizes the feelings of the former East Germans who preferred East Germany. It's another instance of pathologizing popular sentiments by treating them as some bizarre and peculiar psychological phenomenon rather than accepting that people have reason to think what they think.

*I think it was mostly by China, since China had a pretty dominant role late in the war, but that's not to say there was no Korean involvement or that every case with every supposedly-brainwashed prisoner was the same.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 48 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

The reason they saw the first one is because they've got (I think) one dedicated person trawling through Hexbear pretty frequently, since .world can't actually see this instance, and then that one dedicated person picks out what they think is good to share and they share that.

While that user spends a lot of time on here just to seethe and take the occasional screenshot, they can't possibly be spending so much time that they see all the threads (let alone comments), so it was probably the fact that your old post got to the top of the front page that made the difference in them seeing it. Unfortunately, I think they're too much of a coward to play ball with you and forward your current post so other .worlders will see it. That one person is pretty likely to see this though, so at least your message will probably reach them.

Complete aside, but did you see the part where they called you racist? I'm still baffled by that. Like, I can do a pretty good job of imagining how a lib would perceive this or that statement, but I looked through your whole post again when I saw that and couldn't find anything that could be misconstrued that way (nor could another user I mentioned this to).

Edit: I double checked and the poster is on sh.itjust.works, it was just a portion of the commenters (including the big comment that got highlighted here) that're on .world

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 27 points 18 hours ago

But also the 86% need to vote blue or they're accelerationists

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 21 hours ago

As the OP demonstrates, our comrades on .world do a ton of advertising for us by complaining about us nonstop.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 21 hours ago

There's also the title of the thread calling the hexbear "racist", which I can't find even the distorted lib version of from reading the post.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 34 points 21 hours ago

I have a lot of criticisms that I both do and don't share regarding this shithole website, which I have been on since day one (not this account), but not once have I seen people cheer for the deaths of Ukrainian civilians. Off-duty soldiers? Yeah, probably, but those are still soldiers.

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The classic one is, of course, "ACAB," but I've already gotten into these arguments so I will spare you reading too much on it. Let it suffice to say all US cops are bastards (or, you know, they serve an especially malignant bastard function), all German cops, all UK cops, etc. But, to find a diplomatic way of getting this across, the security patrols deployed by the Panthers were also cops if that word has a non-moral meaning.

I think, and this is why I even bring ACAB up, that it gives people something to rally around and maybe even encouraged them to see things differently, and they get attached to it as essentially a dogma without seeing the analysis that produced it (or justified it, in any case). The slogan becomes the analysis. It becomes what exists in place of having reasons for what you believe, even when good reasons are out there!

I don't know how to do dividing lines

I think it's pretty funny when some asshole chud gets fired or injured or whatever and someone comments "another kkrakkka down, unlimited genocide on the first world". The humor comes from the absurdity, that there is no such genocide in the works and the subject in this case usually isn't even dead. It seems like a perfectly fine meme.

So then a huge hurricane hits Florida, we have hundreds of normal, mostly poor people dying and people are saying this and, when someone goes "Hey, that's not right" they double down. [I was busy when this was happening, this isn't me complaining about being dog piled or whatever]

The weird thing about it is that I thought it was 100% a joke, but some people got attached to the phrase in a way that reminds me of people going "ACAB means ACAB" as though it's anything other than an unhinged exclamation that is funny because it's unhinged. I don't know how this happened, but I am forced to conclude that the way the meme was treated up to this point was conditioning people in a detrimental way. Or maybe they were always bloodthirsty chauvinists, but that seems like the greater leap to me.

Of course there were a couple of pathetic, cowardly losers in the mix saying "Oh, don't take it so seriously, it's a shitposting site". Those people I direct to 4chan. Antisocial behavior is antisocial behavior, and calling it meaningless to escape that it does have a meaning and that meaning is quite negative is contemptible behavior that should be rejected by the policy of any space that claims to be leftist.

Anyway, I don't really have a call to action or anything, except perhaps: Oppose Slogan Worship.

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A few months ago I was listening to a podcast, I remembered it as Citations Needed but it could have been another adjacent one, where they interviewed someone from Electronic Intifada about NYT's journalistic malfeasance around the article "Screams Without Words". I've been looking for it and can't find it.

The part that stuck out to me the most was the mother of a daughter who was used as a puppet for these lies saying "she was only killed" and talking about what a miserable situation it is to be saying such a thing.

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After spending a couple days interacting with them, I have come to agree with the common sentiment hexbear already had that it's probably not worth trying to persuade a small number of steadfast neoliberals among those of us with limited patience, which includes myself.

If I'm a wimp and you still want to go buck wild, of course.

But the suggestion I got that .ee would probably be a better staging ground is at this point taken to heart. Since we are federated with them, I think the thing to do is make (appropriate, non-hostile) posts in .ee communities where the purpose of the comm adequately fits with topics that it would be useful to discuss.

As with my last post, which was misbegotten, it's just a thought I had

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There are a bunch of sicko neoliberals and insufferable redditors there, yes, but there are also some normal libs and a few comrades, and it seems like a good way to encourage lemmy generally to re-embrace leftism.

I've been using an alt to talk on there and it's honestly not that bad. It's a little bad, but not that bad. I think if we just try to patiently explain ourselves, we have a reasonable chance of reaching people and shifting the general political alignment.

Those of us who aren't up to dealing with ghouls (I am frequently included in this group) can just stay at home here and that's just fine.

Anyway, just an idea. I would appreciate feedback.

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It's a Josei-ish manga in which Kierkegaard has been reincarnated into contemporary Japan and decides to become a musician to communicate his philosophy to people. It features other reincarnations, notably John Locke, who makes my skin crawl because he's of course the father of liberalism, but his role in the story is positive enough.

Mostly I just like the portrait of Kierkegaard and the silly references (and the author does include citations!). Also it's just something different from most of what you get, even if Kierkegaard in many ways ends up playing the typical Josei male lead.

Also disclaimer: It takes like four chapters before he switches to electric guitars, so it's not really "Unplugged". I think he plays an acoustic guitar publicly only a single time.

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idk, I was thinking about this a lot with the Chapo interview and how completely fraudulent the coverage of Israel was. It feels like we shouldn't let liberals get away with this shit by burying it in the past and pretending they always held more "moderate" beliefs. Even I had forgotten about the "putting Jewish babies in ovens" claim and I'm really fucking online about this mythbusting stuff (ask me about any story involving the DPRK). I think it got overshadowed by the "40 beheaded babies," which admittedly there is more memory of because the WH has struggled to get Biden to stop lying about it.

There are some rare cases of people remembering these hoaxes, probably the best example being "Saddam's human shredder," where there is memory of how there was this hoax that mainstream news pushed and libs completely bought, while the next closest example, WMDs, is something that Democrats kind of just pin on Republicans despite Dems also falling for it/perpetrating fraud for it (just not for quite as long).

I've got easily another dozen examples off the top of my head, but you get the idea. It's sort of the cousin of the retroactive invention of reality that we see with cases like MLK, how people pretend northern whites were broadly on his side and ridiculous shit like that, or even that he wasn't still hated by whites throughout the country at the time of his death, and it was the long-term impact of the campaigns lead by himself and others that ultimately forced even most of white culture to acknowledge his side as being that of justice.

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No, it's not the one about how Democracy isn't Coca-Cola

The main phrase of it was something along the lines of "The Communist Party must follow the people into the fire", that is, it must defer to the outcome of votes and the popular will even when it believes the outcome will be for the worse (presumably while expressing its own view) so that it does not grow out of touch with the people and instead gains trust and credibility from them in the long term.

It's not on redsails, unfortunately, but I'm sure one of you all linked it to me in the first place.

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From what I can gather, there's one Jew in the whole game (who I think is just called "Jew") and he ends up being a collaborator with a demon cult that seems to want to consume humanity. It doesn't seem like people really hold this against him long term, since he gets into more benign misadventures in the "where are they now?" montage at the end, but it seems like the most on-the-nose fash writing possible otherwise.

I haven't actually played the game, partly because I was put off by this element of the synopsis, so did I miss relevant context? Even just a "fuck you guys for making a leper of me and then demanding my loyalty" type line?

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I've seen a few times people cite Furr while disavowing him in a more general sense, but I have never seen someone here talk about specific problems with him and his work.

I remembered this fact because I was looking up information on Losurdo and found a little eulogy Furr wrote for him (which incidentally had the answer I was looking for, that Losurdo did not speak Russian).

Furr seems like an absolute crank in terms of his general writing, see this text at the end of an article he wrote refuting a Current Affairs article:

I have been studying the allegations of crimes against Joseph Stalin for many years. My intention is to research every one of them.

When I began years ago I thought that it would be only a matter of time – perhaps a year or two – before I discovered that at least one of these allegations against Stalin was true, could be confirmed by primary-source evidence. I was wrong. So far, after several decades of searching, I have yet to evidence that Stalin committed even one crime, much less the myriad crimes that Trotsky, Khrushchev’s men, Gorbachev’s men, and academic researchers have confidently asserted.

I intend to keep looking. Perhaps some day I will discover at least one genuine crime by Stalin that I can truthfully say is supported by the best evidence we have. If and when I do, I will publish it and the evidence to support it.

Which is just a villain origin story, though again I must say that every refutation I have personally seen from Furr (though few in number) made sense.

So I ask again, what is actually wrong with him? Or has he merely inherited his own "Black Legend"?

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So I've been putting off writing this for a long time and it'll probably need to be a series, but I've had a difficult time answering challenges from my friends who assert that China is either a Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie or of the Bureaucracy (i.e. state capitalists), and that it's a competing imperialist power along with America (and they also say Russia but I can answer that one being stupid on my own).

The problem with China Discourse is that there is a serious paucity of sources dealing with nuanced critiques rather than just "debt trap!" bullshit or whatever, since the objections of liberals and the objections of smarter ultras are very different. At the very least, the sources dealing with this Discourse are less accessible to me.

But now I'm extremely bored and also recently saw Comrade Queermmunist's excellent rebuttal against the claim of China doing imperialism in the DRC, which gave me some hope that Hexbear would be able to answer some of these claims with something at least plausible.

The main objects of concern are the for-profit national businesses causing bureacratic class antagonism, foreign policy in the form of UN peacekeeping contributions, and straightforward imperialism at the base of its supply chain, along with miscellany like this:

https://newworker.us/international/chinas-stock-market-a-lesson-on-what-socialism-is-not/

I don't know, it's all a mess and putting off ideological work causes problems. If nothing else, let this be a practical lesson to you:

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

It catches up with you and makes things worse in the end.

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And they said we should just accept it on their credibility.

I had the occasion to look this up again, so I thought I should post it for more than the shitlib I got it for (so now it's also for the three of you sorting by new at this hour)

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I know it's tired to post these but come on, let me have just this one. It's so fucking dumb.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3723348

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