[-] yet_another_commie@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 23 hours ago

In his ruling, Justice Mwita declared the new university funding model unconstitutional for several reasons. The high court noted that it violates Section 53 of the Universities Act by introducing policies that conflict with the law. The court also found the model discriminatory, citing its unequal treatment based on financial ability, school type, age, and ambiguous criteria such as “household income,” which violate Article 27 of the Constitution guaranteeing equality and freedom from discrimination. Additionally, the funding model breached students’ legitimate expectations by abruptly replacing the existing framework without prior notice or consultation. Furthermore, the court ruled that the model failed to meet constitutional requirements for public participation and parliamentary oversight.

Can't wait to hear your thoughts, comrade

I liked this essay more after re-reading it.

This essay has 18 dense chapters. Most of them can be expanded.

It didn't talk about how much mainstream idea of veganism (superstructure) is formed by capitalism. If you go to the mainstream websites, veganism looks like it's only about food and crazy raw foodist parents. The bourgeois mainstream never presents vegans in a good light. The bourgeoisie is really interested in making vegans look bad.

Marxism is not only about explaining things but also about how to change things. We explained why marxism needs veganism. How do we integrate it into marxism if most "marxists" are carnist? AES states respond somewhat to the environmental arguments of the last chapters: https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/food-policy-snapshot-china-five-year-agricultural-plan-cultivated-meat/

To the urgency of veganism for socialism, it's not just the environment that we need to preserve to survive. Communism a priori can't commodify animal BEINGS. Fuck, carnism can't just fit into a communist society. How's someone a commodity just for being another species? It's a dumb idea that's 1" away from justifying slavery.

What can we do about veganism now? Here are my thoughts:

  1. In the current state of the world, the working class, me included, are struggling to survive the imperialist attacks that feel like fighting a bear. This contradiction alone is too big for us. Under capitalism and early stage of socialism (modern AES), we vegans must focus on the biggest enemy.

  2. Continue our peaceful marxist vegan agitprop. Socialist countries really respond to environmental arguments. We must use that. From IX: "We do not exploit animals because we deem them to be inferior, rather, we deem animals to be inferior because we exploit them." To me this sounds like it doesn't matter what way we make people exploit animals less. If socialist gov accepts our arguments and promotes a plant-based diet only for env and health reasons, then ethical veganism will still grow from this. A lot of people will just stop seeing veganism as this impossible thing as presented by bourgeois propaganda.

  3. One day, imperialist capitalism will become weak after socialist states become strong and many. That day, we must really confront speciesists just like we do capitalists. Not peacefully.

For a moment MUTB sounded like they deny modern AES: "it is regarded as an overly simplified theory and as an authoritarian ideology which has become obsolete with the end of actually existing socialism". This was what mutb says anarchists think of marxism. I'd add a small remark that modern AES is real.

MUTB quotes Marx saying: "Men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness, by religion or anything else you like. They themselves begin to distinguish themselves from animals as soon as they begin to produce their means of subsistence." Animals can also produce their own means of subsistence. That can be seen in crows and great apes. So, Marx here failed to distinguish humans from non-human animals. MUTB successfully found a correct distinction: "the working class can be the subject of its own liberation. Animals, in contrast, can only be objects of liberation."

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This is a shortened version of the original made to enthuse you into reading. It shouldn't replace reading the real thing. Here, I just pasted parts I liked

II. Most animal rights philosophy today is metaphysical.

III. The merit of bourgeois anti-speciesist moral philosophy is that attacks the way speciesists legitimize animal exploitation. Yet it cannot contribute anything of substance on the origin and function of animal exploitation. Instead, it reduces all these questions to abstract, individual acts, views and practices that are treated in complete isolation from the functioning of capitalist society. Such moral philosophy is ahistorical. It is interested in the history of human-animal relations only in terms of the history of ideology, if at all; it can tell us nothing about the social origin and the genesis of speciesist ideology.

IV. In the course of class struggle, the ruling class has degraded nature in general and animals in particular to a means of production at their disposal, secured such hierarchy juristically and stipulated it as universally applicable. For that reason, it is lawful today for man to treat the animal as their property. Legal norms allow the exploitation of animals because they are bourgeois, not just because they are speciesist.

V. Humans are constructed as reasonable, rational and analysing subjects, which are raised above animals who are constructed as unreasonable creatures of nature controlled by their drives and affects. Arguing by means of this dualism is the foundation of the post-structuralist-anti-speciesist critique of power to explain the political dominance of humans over animals, the control of the former over the latter as well as the latter’s exclusion from democracy. It offers no explanation for what exactly created the ideological dualism of the human and the animal and what mediates it. Whenever anti-authoritarian anti-speciesists allude to this point, their analysis becomes woolly. For this reason, it remains phenomenological, in the end purely formal and, above all, idealist, as it considers mere (wrong) thinking to be the engine of history.

VI. The circle of friends, the butcher, the producer of meat, the animal testing laboratory and its lobbyists – according to those schools, they all must cast off their speciesist thinking for animals to be freed. Social praxis is here above all a question of social consciousness, which is the sum of the consciousnesses of all its separate individuals. Animal exploitation and animal liberation are reduced to a philosophical, epistemological, at best theoretical judicial problem.

VII. Within the capitalist process of production, animals and nature quite literally become a mere resource to exploit.

VIII. Humans, creatures of nature, who have to satisfy natural needs such as food, drink and so forth, hence do not differ categorically but gradually from animals, and this gradual difference is the result of their own politic-economic social praxis.

IX. Speciesist thinking about animals hence is not the basis of animal exploitation, but rather the latter’s ideological reflex. Marco Maurizi got to the heart of this: “We do not exploit animals because we deem them to be inferior, rather, we deem animals to be inferior because we exploit them.”

X. The product re-assumes the form of commodity, which is sold for profit. However, this profit, the accumulation of which is the reason and purpose of capitalist production, does not just fall from the sky. It can be obtained only by exploiting the workers: they work beyond the point at which they have produced a value equivalent to their wage; they thereby produce a surplus that is not at their own but at the capitalists’ disposal. Therefore, given that there are both exploiters and exploited in capitalist society, it is not the whole human species who exploits animals. Instead, the exploitation of animals and wage labourers first and foremost takes place following the interests and under the direction of the ruling class. Of course, the exploitation of animals and the exploitation of wage labourers differ qualitatively, and the latter do not necessarily act in solidarity with animals just because they are also being oppressed and exploited. Workers in abattoirs even kill animals. But capitalist relations of production do not only rest upon an antagonism between capitalists and the working class, but also between the ruling class and nature as well as animals. The former conducts the industrially organised exploitation of animals and profits substantially from it. Accordingly, as Marx writes, “The view of nature attained under the domination of private property and money is a real contempt for and practical debasement of, nature.” This of course includes animals. To answer the question why not only workers are exploited under capitalism but also animals – if in a particular qualitatively different way – one must examine the position and function that animals inherit in this form of organizing social labour, and hence the specific capitalist form of animal exploitation.

XI. Animals do not immediately take part in the social relations that are characteristic for capitalism as active individuals – they do not purchase or sell anything on the market, not even their labour: when they expend labour in the process of production they do not receive wages in return. Accordingly, animals do not produce surplus value and are not part of the working class. Their exploitation corresponds to what Marx describes as exploitation of nature: by virtue of bourgeois property rights and the economic power at their disposal, the capitalists make a profit from the ruinous dealing with animals and nature. This is not exploitation in the sense of the labour theory of value. Yet Marx also does not limit the notion of exploitation to the production of surplus value. And he certainly does not conclude from the observation that slaves also do not produce surplus value that they are not exploited.

Since they cannot resist in an organized manner, animals are appropriated just like other natural materials as freely available means of production, that is, as instruments of labour (as though they were machines for the production of eggs, milk, meat and so forth) and subjects of labour (leather, meat for further processing and so on). Wage labourers perform the oftentimes violent appropriation in practice. They execute, under capital’s command, the production of surplus value, which in the animal industry encompasses killing and milking as well as performing vivisections and suchlike more. The products that are produced by animals or which they themselves are, are processed further by wage labourers and are finally sold as commodities. The production of profits hence rests not only upon the exploitation of wage labourers, but also on that of animals in particular and of nature in general. For the purpose of maximizing the profits that are realized through the exploitation of animals, capitalists are striving to integrate animals into the process of production as efficiently as possible. Efficiently also means: by abstracting from their qualities, among which is their ability to suffer.

XII. Indeed, one cannot conclude from the critique of political economy that animals would automatically be liberated within a socialist or communist society. Yet, the struggle against the rule of capital and its expropriation are necessary preconditions in order to enable people to collectively cast the decision: we will liberate the animals!

XIII. Above all, the oppressed, exploited classes and animals have the same enemy, who profits from and is responsible for their exploitation while also organizing – in different ways – their oppression: the ruling class. In addition, Marxists need to recognize that due to its damaging social and ecological effects the current extent of animal production is objectively irrational and obstructs social progress.

XIV. This part basically says animal ag is counter-progressive because environment.

XVI. This is the difference between morality and moralism: revolutionary morals understand that a “really human morality which stands above class antagonisms and above any recollection of them becomes possible only at a stage of society which has not only overcome class antagonisms but has even forgotten them in practical life” (Engels).

XVIII. When taking all of this into account, then we also have to conclude: the very indignation we experience in the face of capitalism’s brutality that drives us to a Marxist analysis of society and to resistance is the same one that animal liberationists experience in the face of the suffering of animals. The enemy of animals – capital – is also the enemy of humans. As a Marxist, as an anti-capitalist, one must turn this impulse of solidarity into fuel for one’s life, and understand and acknowledge the objective position of animals within the capitalist process of production, that is, that they belong to those oppressed creatures at whose expense the ruling class accumulates its wealth. The class struggle for the liberation of animals is the struggle for the liberation of the proletariat.

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Socialism is wrong, capitalism is right. Capitalists shall own the means of production because they are mean. Socialists shall only own the nices of production!

True vegans only eat 100% renewable electricity

There are already several people who responded. Should we just juse use !vegan@hexbear.net or create a simplex chat?

I am 3 day old but I lurked for a few weeks here. I'm not going to discuss veganism on this sub. I really didn't use any "carnist" word here to avoid any tension. I wrote here to introduce myself (this is my second post) and to cover vegans who don't read hexbear.

  1. Yes, I'll go there
  2. No issue. I'm all for marxist cohesion. We want an effective community for our future revolution

The biggest problem is overcoming societal pressure. The second biggest is the period when you have to relearn what to eat

[-] yet_another_commie@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Here are my thoughts. Not polished but hope they make sense:

Point 1: Most socieities in a smartphone phase have a contradiction between the bourgeoisie that exploits animals and vegan activists. Farm workers take part in this exploitation but they're not benefiting from it, they're also exploited in this slaughter-hell. Animals don't have a weight in this xontradiction because they can't really fight back their oppressors. The people in general buy animal products but I think they don't reall benefit from animal exploitation. Most people buy & use animal prod because they're used to and attached to them culturally-emotionally.

Point 2: People actually care about animals, they just can't change their habits. With each friend, I had at least a few convos on veganism. The most honest non-vegans tell me exactly that.

Point 3: People are speciesist because they exploit animals, not the other way around. Humans ate animals in the past because this helped them survive. Before veganism, I went "reducetarian" for health and environmental reasons. Only after that I went vegan.

Point 4: When capitalism started to dominate, animal industry appeared. This industry is interested in preserving speciesism. That's why the bourgeoisie attacks animal rights activists so much. It even tries to ban anything that can push people towards veganism:

  1. Suddenly, they care about product "misbranding". It's now "wrong" to call soy meat "meat". Shouldn't we ban saying "peanut butter" then?
  2. Some Statesian States banned cell-cultured meat
  3. Vegans are almost never depicted positively in Western sitcoms, cartoons and mass media
  4. Bourgeois news websites spread anti-vegan misinformation. I'm bombarded by my relatives with bs articles saying "veganism either killed some baby of crazy raw vegan or science paper says veganism bad for health or actually not good for the environment". Some of the articles come from "respectable" sources like BBC or CNN
  5. Right-wingers are almost universally anti-vegan

https://nationalaglawcenter.org/cell-cultured-meat-updates-state-bans-labeling-requirements-and-regulatory-clarifications/

Point 5: All vegans must support socialism. Socialism will eliminate the bourgeoisie but speciesism will stay for much longer. Under socialism, it will be easier to eliminate speciesism because proletarians have no (or little) material interest in animal exploitation. You can convince a socialist .gov to make steps towards veganism for environmental and health reasons. China already does that: https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/food-policy-snapshot-china-five-year-agricultural-plan-cultivated-meat/ With this, veganism will stop being seen as a fringe thing. People always ask me how am I capable of living without so many products. All the alternative foods will answer this question. People will slowly adopt these foods and eventually speciesism will crumble.

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I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I've a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I'd like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

Here’s what we know about BRICS Partner Country status:

The status denotes an alternative to full membership, allowing participating nations to engage with BRICS but without voting rights. Partner status will be “as close to membership as possible,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov hinted earlier this year.

https://news-pravda.com/world/2024/10/24/806241.html

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The Chinese gross domestic product is expected to pass the mark of US$18 trillion in 2024.

Reviewing China’s footprint in 2024, Xi said the economy has rebounded and is on an upward trajectory, with the national GDP expected to pass the mark of US$18 trillion and the country’s grain output surpassing 700 million tonnes.

He also noted that China has fostered new quality productive forces, and new business sectors, forms and models have kept emerging. For the first time, China has produced more than 10 million new energy vehicles in a year, and breakthroughs have been made in fields including integrated circuit, artificial intelligence and quantum communications.

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