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Deepseek giving me the lay of the land as to why I am not as successful as other people under capitalism/ corporate America (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] Kovpak@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Unrelated, but I find it weird that DeepSeek refuses to tell me about Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. It will auto-delete / block the message it's trying to reply with. Does this also happen for you? Like "Can you explain Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for me?".

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Could be they try to block explicit politics in general, for "broader audience, pretense of neutrality" reasons. Or it may be they don't want it providing misinformation on such sensitive topics; language models can easily "hallucinate" (make stuff up with a confidently wrong attitude, either because they don't know or because of a slight misstep in token probability). Also possible they are trying to catch certain kinds of things that aren't that and it hit a false positive on your attempt. Hard to say for sure with these models, without knowing their stated intentions (if they have any publicly stated to begin with).

[–] Kovpak@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Probably yes :)

[–] miz@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Kovpak@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not that I'm not familiar with SwCC, but I was more interested in learning about the inherited or trained bias in the DeepSeek model, vs western biased LLMs. But thank you regardless!

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

in a way deepseek answered your question, that's the trained bias in deepseek x)

they decided to stop it from answering any vaguely political questions (sometimes it still goes through but it's a chore) which sucks because their online search is really good now that it's back, but you can't search for current events or history because it will block most of it.

edit: the official reasoning is they want it to be for science, e.g. math etc. Which is fair (I'm vocal about telling people not to use these word prediction machines for their opinions!), but also blocking searching like this really sucks. Every other engine, whether AI or non-AI, just links you to fucking Wikipedia all the time. In case you're the one person in the world who knows how to use chatGPT but doesn't know what Wikipedia is.

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It answers that prompt for me without issue

[–] Kovpak@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Using API or their chat.deepseek.com? I just get this:

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

On their app, I just typed "explain socialism with Chinese characteristics"

[–] comradeRichard@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago

I have asked that question before when I was first made aware of the app and it answered very succinctly! Now it starts to answer and replaces with the "that is outside of my current scope" message. Later when I have time I may try messing around with VPNs. I was really excited that it gave so much detail and context.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hits hard right now as I would like to buy my own place but could never afford it in the US, and I think it's dangerous anyway, but regulations/cost/logistics make buying in Vietnam or China just as unlikely unless I happen to marry a national. I just want to feel like I can be old in my home someday and not get hunted down, preferably won't get hunted down before then either. Ugh.

Wish I had that money to just bail to wherever I wanted.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I used to have this thought that like ya id love to move to china and live there but its so unlikely to happen right so why bother trying, but i stopped thinking that way. I'm going to school for a degree thats highly needed in China right now, and learning Chinese and once im done i will do whatever i can to get a job there, and move there. Because ya its hard, and not many people manage it, but fuck it.

I really reccomend if your like me to look into either going back to school, or starting from scratch. If your over, like 26 i think, there are a lot more financial aid options for you because parental income doesnt count towards FAFSA anymore. ANY type of bachelors degree can get you an english teaching job in China, and a more specialized one could get you a job in Chinas growing tech sector or something. It might not be permanent residency but its a start, and we all have to start somewhere.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's awesome, Comrade!! Good luck to you in everything! I hope you make it!

I could probably really easily teach English there but the biggest issue is that I don't know if that'll be viable long-term or if I'll be left shit out of luck if Chinese students stop learning English as much, since I think most of that demand was to come study/work in the US. I'm not really able to get into tech/STEM at this point either. I'll think about those options again, though.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

I wouldnt worry about the english thing. Its like standard in high school there, and is mostly used as like a general education thing. English is spoken in TONS of places and is a very useful language to know when you are dealing internationally in general not just with the US. Its the most well known 2nd language in the world.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Also just a thought but like yeah maybe the teaching thing wouldnt be a forever gig, but just getting your foot in the door, getting to China, opens a lot of doors for finding other work there too. Like maybe you start out teaching english, use your time there to really master the language, and make connections locally, then you get a job doing something else in China later on.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

At this time I think China requires a Master's degree to teach English, I don't know if you looked into the requirements yet!

And as you said, it's probably not a long-term commitment because with the way things are going in China (going from letting in any english speaker to teach to now requiring masters graduates) it's very probable Chinese people will move away from learning English, if they aren't already.

BUT, if it works out for you, it's also a way for long-term residency there and learning Mandarin! One of our editors on PW made a guide for it some time back https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Essay:A_Statesian_Marxists%27_Guide_to_Learning_Mandarin

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have any idea of the requirements for medical students/people to transfer over? It's something I've thought a lot about and I'd imagine like any other country you need to be recertified/possibly re-do a part of schooling but I'm wondering now if they are seeking medical employment.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

No idea sorry you could try asking deepseek it knows Chinese law well.

[–] yet_another_commie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I'd give more consideration to China, Vietnam and Laos

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You cannot choose how successful you are in what you set out to do, but you can choose what you set out to do in the first place. Do not allow anything to influence what few choices you do get. Do the things that you have a true desire to do, and should you fail know that you atleast tried. Which is more than most can say.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That is to say many people choose to do things they think will lead to success. Yet their chances of success are no greater than if they'd simply done what they really loved in the first place, and failure tastes all the more bitter for it.

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I needed to read this, lately. 👍

[–] 51dz31@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

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