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...And yet all sorts of people want to talk about "not voting for Biden" says the opposite
I am (once again, unfortunately) voting against Trump. That means there’s really only one box for me to check in our rigged, corrupt, popular-vote-undermining, first-past-the-post system.
And yet I still don’t consider that a vote for Genocide Joe, it is just a vote against Trump in the only way our two-party oligarchy will allow.
You can tell we have a great system of governance by how it encourages us to gaslight ourselves to relieve the cognitive dissonance it creates.
I respect your decision even though I can't vote for Genocide Joe. I'm so tired of people trying to guilt me into voting for him like they have a say over my vote.
I get that you don't think Trump was that bad, and respect your decision
I've seen very few and far between people who both oppose Trump and say they wouldn't vote for Biden, but to those few even if you calmly, carefully, and empathetically explain to them that not voting for Biden will empower Trump: they don't want to listen.
Those ones were never going to vote for Biden anyways but it's fun for them to pretend.
If the bad actors and the true idealists are indistinguishable what does any of it matter.
It's not about who will vote for who. It's about creating controversy around Biden to suppress voter turn out.
You could vote for a cow painted purple for all I care but if you're spending all your energy pointing out Bidens obvious flaws and giving Trump a pass you're actions tell me all I need to know.
Hell, I don't even care if you were in the street protesting but to sit back and meme Trump into office is just bullshit.
The idea is to wake people up (including Biden) before he loses and we all suffer.
He literally must change course and do it fast
They won't suffer (or have convinced themselves they won't suffer) under Christofascism.
Pretty much. Or already live in authoritarian countries and want to spread the love.
Misery loves company.
Id ask Biden the same thing. Drop the genocide support unless you want the racists to win.
These warnings from progressives SHOULD be sobering him up to his electoral odds.
Dems really are doing everything in their power to lose this, and people are simply warning them while we still have time.
You tell me how that strategy works.
Dude, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's not going to work if he doesn't win over the progressives.
We are arguing the same thing. I'm blaming Democrats for it, and you are blaming the voters for it.
From my perspective, Biden is going to lose because Democrats refuse to appease their constituency. From your perspective, that constituency just has to suck it up and deal with it. We are very much both frustrated by the same reality.
My perspective is the election is in 6 months and Biden isn't going to solve Palestine in those 6 months and voters aren't going to solve Biden with no means to do it.
Leaves one option. That option is stop trying to suppress turn out and stick around after inauguration. I wish you were here in the last 3 years when it was absolute crickets.
Again, we are fundamentally agreeing on the same idea. Biden is our nominee. He's the best we have to work with, so he's got to be putting in the effort as to not lose.
We are not going to get anywhere in this conversation because we are agreeing. We just have different solutions.
I find it kind of funny that you think Biden is incapable of moving on any issue at all. I'm actually the optimist here. I think he's capable of it. It's almost like you know how crappy of a candidate he is, but don't want to admit it.
I've been raising the flag on Biden for fucking 3 years and the second the election is on the line people are out here suppressing voter turn out. The window has past. You gotta be thick.
Buddy, Ive been sounding the alarm far longer than that. Clear back in thw days before Lemmy. Im just telling you he's going to lose because he's unpopular, and must become popular to win.
Thats democracy baybee.
Mhmmm how popular was Trump in 2016. How popular was Biden in 2020.
You do what you think is right but I didn't see your ilk in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Very fucking convenient for you to show up now.
So many people don't know how a bluff (a negotiation rather) that works works...all those shamers how can they be that stupid, asking you to secure your vote for Joe TODAY while it amounts to condone a genocide. Calling you stoopid and pretending to know if and how you will actually vote on election day. A sensible person is gonna do the sensible thing in November. The sensible thing to do today is to try and stop a fucking ongoing genocide. If it has to take the shape of a threat to not vote, one should ask oneself how the fuck did it come to this, but so be it
Why we don't have a handful of 30-something people with brains to choose from I don't know. We're so fucked with this 2 party system- old fart who isn't a dick vs old fart who is literally a dick that speaks dick-speak isn't acceptable
“My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES which is why I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden and will NEVER vote for him.”
“Yeah what good things? Fixing the problems definitely sounds like a priority, I love good things.”
“Joe Biden FUCKED UP our marijuana policy and BETRAYED US which is why I cannot POSSIBLY support him and I can’t see why you are CRAZY AND CONFUSED and said I am a Trump supporter.”
“That sounds like a big reform, which yes it would be great, but it’s not like failing to pass it means sliding into fascism, also he pardoned everyone in federal prison for possession, and the Democrats have advanced multiple bills for federal decriminalization which the Republicans keep defeating (*), and Biden requested the DEA to reschedule it. Is there something else you would you want him to do, on his end?”
(there is an interval of silence)
(*) slight oversimplification
“My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES like GOOD MARIJUANA POLICY which is extremely important which is why I CANNOT support Joe Biden and will plan NEVER to vote for him. This message will repeat in thirty seconds from now.”
Based on real events
I’ve encountered similar “discussions.”
You can also point out that the President cannot decriminalize a drug. That requires an act of Congress. This is the link to the bill most likely to see a vote. It includes record expungement as well as decriminalization. It’s cosponsored by 113 Democrats and Matt Gaetz, ‘cause he knows how to party.