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They should have, but it probably wouldn't make a difference. The superdelegates controlled the nomination.
Not in 2020, the DNC changed the rules after 2016 so they don't get a vote unless no one wins on the first ballot, and Biden won on the first ballot. Biden straight up just got more votes than Bernie in 2020
Hillary straight-up got more votes than Bernie in 2016 as well. To my (and in retrospect, the entire nation's) regret.
I voted for Bernie twice, and whenever a Democrat is running against a Republican, I will always vote blue. I'll continue to try to influence the Democratic party by voting in primaries. A ton of local elections are being won by increasingly progressive candidates, and they are going to graduate to higher offices over time
Is this where you get your news? Is this why you're such a a fucking misinformation machine?
Everyone knows how it went down in 2016 you fucking dufus. You can read all about it. Check out that map at the top, then read about how the roll call vote featured in this video as a big deal was actually a performative act that took place after Clinton had secured the nomination because she fundamentally had more votes, with or without the superdelegates.
You don't have access to some special information here. "Whatch this video, then you'll see" is the most brainless shit ever, and the kind of thing my great aunt Joyce posts on Facebook.
Btw the DNC changed the superdelegate system after this, and I voted for Bernie twice and think he would've beat Trump in '16.
At least warmonger Hilldawg's egotistical dream of being POTUS was crushed. Forever. Still makes me laugh. What a piece of shit.
Again, talking massive shit about progressive politicians and never one word about Republicans. So curious.
Clinton is not a progressive politician.
oh my! you really told me. Let's get Danald tramp elected instead.
Let's not.
I get that you want to lie and say that everyone from the centrist wing of the party is totally a progressive, but you don't have to pretend anyone who calls you out on it is a trumpist.
Okay, that’s great since I have never done that. What I have claimed is that people standing up to tell others to waste their vote are helping support a Trump victory, whether on purpose, from calculated apathy, or because they’re stupid and don’t realize it.
You just did it to me, liar.
Where did I do that?
Right here:
Your comment in which you accused me of supporting Trump was in response to me saying that Clinton isn't a progressive.
Now scream that I'm stupid some more. If your positions were defensible, you wouldn't need abuse.
No, I'm accusing people who constantly bash Biden of effectively getting Trump elected, whether it's on purpose or not. I'm not sure which is worse - explicitly supporting Trump, disingenuously supporting Trump, or being too dense/apathetic to realize you're helping Trump.
I certainly never 'screamed' about you being 'stupid', either. What a weird conversation this is.
We all know another Trump presidency is your goal
It's not but whatever you want to think it is. Biden will be replaced at the convention
By who
Newsom or Kamala
Lmao
They also control who gets elected. The popular vote for president is such a joke. It’s amazing how many people think that voting for a president is actually their choice; that every vote counts. Sure, you could argue that ~~those Super Delegates are~~ the Electoral College is supposed to vote the will of the people, but I would counter with we shouldn’t be where we are politically right now either.
Shit happens, and this is what we got.
People like Bernie Sanders will never win an election for president; especially a troublemaker such as he, nor with the way the system is currently set up. And no one is going to change the current system, because that means giving up power. And if there is one thing governments do not do: it’s give up power.
Color me cynical all you like, but I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong.
Edit: I’m an idiot and got my terminology mixed up. 🙈
The DNC changed the superdelegate system due to the uproar after 2016
🤦♂️ You know, I used to work in politics, so I should’ve known better. I meant Electoral College. Not Superdelegates. Thank you for bringing this up so I’d find my error.
I pretty much agree with you. Voting just gives "them" an idea of what we will put up with.
I wish we could organize like the religious right has. With a minority position they have made amazing changes. I suspect they will destroy democracy before we're able to learn and apply their strategy.
You are right. If there is one thing that the far-right does really well, it’s organize. I’ve been grumbling for years that the Democrats should tear a page or two from the R’s playbook and learn how to figure their shit out. It’s no wonder the D’s get dicked over (pun intended) all the time.
The problem is they keep tearing out the policy pages and not the strategy pages.
The problem is their recruitment relies on sensationalism and tribalism. That doesn't work as well on the left where people actually understand, and care about policy
Yes and no. The Republicans have great messaging, and have had some PR savants working for them going back to the Reagan era. The Democrats are shit at talking to people. Everybody votes emotionally, but Democrats have this delusion that their side is the logical one, and makes decisions based on data and policy. Sure, data and policy influence some of those emotions, but you have to speak to voters' emotions, in terms of their values. This is why Democratic voters constantly say that they can't understand why anybody would vote Republican. Of course, you can't understand, if your analytical framework is wrong.
(Ever notice how you can tell the Republican and Democratic politicians apart almost instantly on talk shows? The R's have a self-assured energy, as if the things they say are self-evident, while the D's come across as slightly shrill and scolding. Obama was different, he had the self-assurance, which is part of the reason he did so well.)
Not really.