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If only people my age actually fuckin' turned out.
They should have, but it probably wouldn't make a difference. The superdelegates controlled the nomination.
Not in 2020, the DNC changed the rules after 2016 so they don't get a vote unless no one wins on the first ballot, and Biden won on the first ballot. Biden straight up just got more votes than Bernie in 2020
Hillary straight-up got more votes than Bernie in 2016 as well. To my (and in retrospect, the entire nation's) regret.
I voted for Bernie twice, and whenever a Democrat is running against a Republican, I will always vote blue. I'll continue to try to influence the Democratic party by voting in primaries. A ton of local elections are being won by increasingly progressive candidates, and they are going to graduate to higher offices over time
Is this where you get your news? Is this why you're such a a fucking misinformation machine?
Everyone knows how it went down in 2016 you fucking dufus. You can read all about it. Check out that map at the top, then read about how the roll call vote featured in this video as a big deal was actually a performative act that took place after Clinton had secured the nomination because she fundamentally had more votes, with or without the superdelegates.
You don't have access to some special information here. "Whatch this video, then you'll see" is the most brainless shit ever, and the kind of thing my great aunt Joyce posts on Facebook.
Btw the DNC changed the superdelegate system after this, and I voted for Bernie twice and think he would've beat Trump in '16.
At least warmonger Hilldawg's egotistical dream of being POTUS was crushed. Forever. Still makes me laugh. What a piece of shit.
Again, talking massive shit about progressive politicians and never one word about Republicans. So curious.
Clinton is not a progressive politician.
oh my! you really told me. Let's get Danald tramp elected instead.
Let's not.
I get that you want to lie and say that everyone from the centrist wing of the party is totally a progressive, but you don't have to pretend anyone who calls you out on it is a trumpist.
Okay, that’s great since I have never done that. What I have claimed is that people standing up to tell others to waste their vote are helping support a Trump victory, whether on purpose, from calculated apathy, or because they’re stupid and don’t realize it.
You just did it to me, liar.
Where did I do that?
Right here:
Your comment in which you accused me of supporting Trump was in response to me saying that Clinton isn't a progressive.
Now scream that I'm stupid some more. If your positions were defensible, you wouldn't need abuse.
No, I'm accusing people who constantly bash Biden of effectively getting Trump elected, whether it's on purpose or not. I'm not sure which is worse - explicitly supporting Trump, disingenuously supporting Trump, or being too dense/apathetic to realize you're helping Trump.
I certainly never 'screamed' about you being 'stupid', either. What a weird conversation this is.
We all know another Trump presidency is your goal
It's not but whatever you want to think it is. Biden will be replaced at the convention
By who
Newsom or Kamala
Lmao
Not really.
They also control who gets elected. The popular vote for president is such a joke. It’s amazing how many people think that voting for a president is actually their choice; that every vote counts. Sure, you could argue that ~~those Super Delegates are~~ the Electoral College is supposed to vote the will of the people, but I would counter with we shouldn’t be where we are politically right now either.
Shit happens, and this is what we got.
People like Bernie Sanders will never win an election for president; especially a troublemaker such as he, nor with the way the system is currently set up. And no one is going to change the current system, because that means giving up power. And if there is one thing governments do not do: it’s give up power.
Color me cynical all you like, but I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong.
Edit: I’m an idiot and got my terminology mixed up. 🙈
The DNC changed the superdelegate system due to the uproar after 2016
🤦♂️ You know, I used to work in politics, so I should’ve known better. I meant Electoral College. Not Superdelegates. Thank you for bringing this up so I’d find my error.
I pretty much agree with you. Voting just gives "them" an idea of what we will put up with.
I wish we could organize like the religious right has. With a minority position they have made amazing changes. I suspect they will destroy democracy before we're able to learn and apply their strategy.
You are right. If there is one thing that the far-right does really well, it’s organize. I’ve been grumbling for years that the Democrats should tear a page or two from the R’s playbook and learn how to figure their shit out. It’s no wonder the D’s get dicked over (pun intended) all the time.
The problem is their recruitment relies on sensationalism and tribalism. That doesn't work as well on the left where people actually understand, and care about policy
Yes and no. The Republicans have great messaging, and have had some PR savants working for them going back to the Reagan era. The Democrats are shit at talking to people. Everybody votes emotionally, but Democrats have this delusion that their side is the logical one, and makes decisions based on data and policy. Sure, data and policy influence some of those emotions, but you have to speak to voters' emotions, in terms of their values. This is why Democratic voters constantly say that they can't understand why anybody would vote Republican. Of course, you can't understand, if your analytical framework is wrong.
(Ever notice how you can tell the Republican and Democratic politicians apart almost instantly on talk shows? The R's have a self-assured energy, as if the things they say are self-evident, while the D's come across as slightly shrill and scolding. Obama was different, he had the self-assurance, which is part of the reason he did so well.)
The problem is they keep tearing out the policy pages and not the strategy pages.
I was so distraught and in denial about Bernie not getting the nomination that I wrote him in. Sorry I think I helped Trump by doing that.
Nah, man, I don't think any of us really were expecting the result we got. I protest voted for fuckin' Johnson of all people in the 2016 General because I was certain that my vote wouldn't mean jack. I mean, I was in a safe blue state, so it didn't, but God, the feeling in my gut watching the results come in, knowing that my fellow American citizens were fucking vile enough to elect Donald fucking Trump, and that I hadn't even cast a vote in (meaningful) opposition? To at least add a little more voice to the ridiculousness that was the electoral college overriding the vote of the people? It hit hard.
Except we never elected him. The EC did. He lost the popular vote by several million votes with relatively low turnout, despite damn near record turnout.
Enough people voted for him that the EC was a concern to begin with, let's put it that way.
I did too
Was your district one vote away from voting for Hilary?
If not, then your single vote did not have a measurable impact.
It took thousands of people, in a handful of very specific districts, swinging to Trump. He didn't even win the popular vote, he never has, and likely won't win it again.
Sadly, that's true if you were in a swing state. A lot of people didn't like HRC and didn't think trump could win or cared if he won, so they didn't vote for HRC and we got trump. I'm worried the same thing will happen again in 2024. Please people please, don't let it happen again. Vote for Biden whether you like him or not and we go forward from there.
Vote for the person you want in the primaries, then vote for the party you want in the general. Whether you like it or not, there are only two choices, R or D.
Remember, this is not just about who is POTUS-- it's about which people will be appointed to run all our government agencies, which people will be appointed to the Supreme Court and the Federal courts. That directly affects our lives. trump put 3 more right wing extremists on SCOTUS, and now it's 6 to 3 maga over progressive. If Hillary had been elected we would have a progressive majority instead.
Went to one of his campaign rallies before the primary in San Francisco. God was he an incredible speaker. You could feel the energy pulsating from those hands haha.
Yep. It’s unbelievable how so many people think that they can create change by staying home. It also blows my mind that so many people seem to always have so much to say…
But for some reason… only every four years. Never after elections.
It’s almost as if there’s an agenda to their need to convince others not to vote.
Nice victim blaming.
You’re not a victim.
It’s “you’re.”
As in. you’re falsely accusing me of being racist because I disagree with your flimsy narrative.
Think of it as a shortened form of YOU ARE. As in-
You are offering nothing to the discussion.