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Sen. Mark Warner Forming a Group Of Democratic Senators To Call On Biden To Drop Out
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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Downvote the news, but it still remains news.
For such a prominent Senator to have gone public, there must be a torrent of activity in private.
Refusing to see Biden's flaws is incredibly delusional. I understand a bit, running a new candidate could help Trump win. However, running a candidate with dementia will definitely help Trump win. We deserve a candidate with basic debate skills.
There is a point of no return when public reception dictates further action and that preception will not reverse. I hate the idea, as I think history will look very kindly on Joe, and it's terrible what's happening. But, by my estimate we have reached that point.
I'm sorry, he's done some good, but he's also continued delivering weapons to Israel for their genocide in Gaza. If he's looked at especially fondly in the future it'll be through rose tinted glasses.
Still voting for him over Trump, but let's not be ridiculous.
Isn't he already top 10? But his past administration, vs. him now... I dunno what to think. If he were elected, then his administration could continue, but that's a big "if" at this juncture.
He is top 10? It's such a low bar.
Yeah, and it’s “Hillary’s Turn” 🤮
There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they've lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They'll come back around, much later, after he's replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won't take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn't been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven't seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
I could be wrong, idk.
Anyone who has enough name recognition to get into and be a competitor to Biden isn't going to turn traitor against the party's incumbent unless he explicitly bows out. If they're seen as ousting Biden... it's going to be a shit show of epic proportions. look at the criticism that phillips took. (And philips is basically a younger version of Biden.) In the primary, the only candidate to get on the ballot in more than half the states was Biden. Most got on around half the states, give or take.
Most of the states only had a ballot because they were legally obligated to. the 2024 Primary for the DNC wasn't a real primary.
They will. We're "just on the other side" of a whole paradigm shift. Its only been a week and we're still a good bit out from the convention.
It should be telling that Newsom was on screen within 15 seconds of the debate, and Kamala about the same "surrogating" for Biden. Whats them applying for the job.
Or, its very late in the game and this chaos causes the dems to splinter, leaving trump ripe for victory.
You act like you know exactly what will happen, when in reality things can end up pear shaped whether we stick with biden or get a new candidate.
Polls and MSM are focusing on biden, allowing trump to gain ground. Whatever is gonna happen needs to happen NOW.
If he was merely sick, then one good press conference followed by a second debate might be able to turn things around, just enough, maybe?
But if not...
Nah, I just watched his "come back" interview with George on ABC News. Biden isn't dead yet but he's absolutely sundowning. I would give his performance a grade of C (A being the top grade, B being second best, and F being the worst grade).
Biden has no vitality, and as far as Biden is concerned a desperate underclass and wealth inequality aren't even a thing. Biden is grossly out of touch.
Arguably the President's chief job is not to execute the law of the land, but rather to inspire hope. He is too tired to be able to do that. But nothing is perfect, and he does keep trying, and we gotta respect that effort at least:-).
reddit is tearing Biden a new asshole for his (paraphrased) "It's OK as long as I gave it my all" answer to the question "How will you feel if you lose to Trump?"
They would not even give him a C like I did, it would be a straight F.
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dwe58u/biden_at_peace_if_he_loses_to_trump_as_long_as_i/
Brutal.
Who though... Comments like this are useless unless there is a valid replacement. So again... Who, or STFU.
I think this is rather obviously true. Many on the left have been pushing for a different, and presumably better, candidate from the beginning, so in a way, all that's changed since the debate is that many more have joined them. So really, all the Dems have to do is provide the people with that candidate, and it'll be a runaway.
BUT...
I'm starting to worry that the DNC is going to fuck it up yet again, and specifically because, just as was the case in 2016 and 2020, they're not only going to not adopt the positions of the base, but are going to instead manipulate the process in order to shove another establishment hack down our throats. And quite likely not even just any establishment hack, but the one that's already proven to be even less popular than Biden - Hillary Clinton.
This is a moment for the DNC to get out of the way and let the people come together and choose the candidate they want. That's the exact thing that will motivate the base, and in turn guarantee Trump's defeat.
I'm just afraid that the DNC won't be able to do that - that in their all-consuming self-centeredness and greed, they're going to fuck it up for all of us, yet again.
Your caution is well warranted.
The biggest mistake the DNC could make would be not taking the advantage that an open convention offers them. They desperately need to put out an air of at least 'presumed' democracy in the shocking un-democratic process which is Democratic elections. The delegates are all corporate, Biden/ Harris democrats. But at least put on a show of democracy. And build the theater a bit. Give the audience some action and some drama. Use the opportunity to build some headlines.
It is 100% going to be an establishment hack, I have no doubt in my mind about that, but I don't care. Biden is an establishment hack, but one who most importantly can't win the election. We're not getting worse moving to a different hack that can form thoughts on the fly.
He has gone public? Because he hasn't said anything about this.
All I see are secondhand reports from anonymous sources, which is kind of the opposite of going public.
"Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to ask Joe Biden to exit the presidential race,” the Washington Post reports.
“Warner is telling Democratic senators that Biden can no longer remain in the election in the wake of his faltering debate performance… The Virginia senator has told others that he is deeply concerned Biden is not able to run a campaign that could beat former president Donald Trump.”
So, he hasn't gone public, at all.
The Senate isin recess until Monday. Senators tend not to make public pronouncements while in recess. Which makes this interesting to watch. If the Biden effort through the weekend enough for him to hold fire? Guess we'll find out.