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It would be the most Democratic Party move ever to push Joe out and announce Hillary again.
It’ll never happen. It’s such an idiotic thought as to make me wonder what the hell your motivations are.
If it wasn't clear I don't want it to happen...but over the years I have felt pretty disenfranchised by the actions of the party vs the will of the voters, and I am still going to vote for them.
Last time we didn't vote for Hillary we ended up with a fascist Supreme Court. I'll hold my judgment.
This is why things have gotten progressively worse, they can do anything they want, including ignoring their base, and rest assured it won't cost them votes.
But the alternative is a gamble on fascism, in a 2 party system you have to pick the establishment you dislike least.
I don't have to pick either, I refuse to participate in my own subjugation
Which means you've made a choice, and it's pro fascism.
I'm not the one picking fascists to run the country.
Except, by refusing to participate, you are. That's how our system works. It's stupid, but that's how it works.
There's a better chance of you voting for a republican than any left is voting for a Democrat. We vote for what we want to see in government. Not constantly voting against something. Voting against something is a protest vote, that's the wasted one
No, you're voting to move in the right direction.
Voting is like taking the bus, you get on the one going the direction you want. And then, you get on another bus that continues to take you towards your destination.
You don't get on a bus going the opposite direction, or refuse to go at all unless there's a bus going from your front door direct to your destination. That's just stupidity. That's what you're advocating for, and we're never going to get to a better place if people like you don't wake up and see that.
I was on that bus a long time ago and assumed the driver knew which direction he was headed and knows his route. After being on the bus a while I noticed he was headed the wrong direction while also claiming we are almost there. I voiced my concerns he was headed in the wrong direction but was told to sit down and shut up, the driver knows where they are going, besides claiming we are almost there. As they continued to drive the wrong direction taking me further from my destination than I ever thought possible. I knew it was time get off the bus despite all the other passengers kept demanding I listen to the driver, and we are almost there if I just wait a little longer.
Touch grass.
Seriously, you'd have to be chronically online listening to Russian propaganda to seriously think the Democrats and Republicans are anywhere near each other.
But you will be, though. Standing by and not even voting does not mean you are morally superior.
There is no difference between red or blue fascism, one is openly racist, bigoted, and fascist. The other is covert
That's sheer nonsense. Who's side are you on, anyway?
The communist side
believe it or not you're actually capable of agitating and organizing while also taking a couple hours every two years to fill out a bubble sheet
Unless there's a communist or at least a socialist on the ticket that bubble stays blank.
Ah, so you've decided to vote for Trump I see.
A "protest vote" is a vote for Trump.
They believe Biden and Trump are the same.
Because they are drowning in privledge.
I'm not the one casting for a vote for fascism lite. I want NO fascism
Here, since you don't seem to actually know what real fascism is: wiki
What you want (giving you a brief assumption that you're actually genuine) is a radical overnight change from capitalism to a socialism based economy. Which is respectable, id like that too. Id like our government to actually provide real healthcare and cut out private companies and nationalize everything from water to electricity to ISPs and actually serve the people like governments should.
But it will. Not. Happen. Overnight. It's just not realistic in any sense of the word unless you have the ability to bring things into existence from sheer will.
Even the real fascists on the far-right took DECADES of propaganda and billions upon billions of dollars getting to where they are now
To bring things as far left as you want is going to take time and effort.
You want to know how you bring a country left? You vote for the leftist most candidate, with the best shot of winning you can. If all Democrats continuously showed up to vote as much as Republicunts did we wouldn't be in this mess and we likely would be a lot further left than we are now
You need to swallow your pride and selfishness and vote left with whoever is on the ballot, then vote D down ticket. If we all voted D consistently, in droves, year after year then the Republican party would fade into irrelevancy.
When that happens what we now know as the DNC will be the new Republicans and another more left party will take their place. Then we do the same thing, voting ever more left.
But it's going to take time, that's unavoidable, but it certainly doesn't help with you screaming "fascist" at every single candidate that isn't perfectly aligned with pure unadulterated socialism.
You are a living example of the quote "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good"
In the words of James Baldwin 'how much time do you want for your progress?' we've been hearing about it takes time for decades and we're having the exact same conversations now that they were having in the 50s and the '60s the same conversation they were having in the 20s and the 30s well over 100 years ago. So again I'll ask how much time do you want for your progress?
We're not chiding you and saying electoralism is the only place for progress. In fact we need action outside of that if we want to see any progress. Organize, agitate, protest, unionize, build dual power. Fuckin do it all. But do not resign yourself to allowing the reactionaries to take control of the electoral arena. Do not think that you can wash your hands of the damage that will cause.
Democrats are reactionary too. They are the main obstacle to progress
🤦♀️ please learn what reactionary means
yes
Then you are helping the subjugation.
Voting for Biden or whoever his replacement is the subjugation, and liberals cheer on their own suppression
LOL, and if the Republicans seize power they'll say "hold my beer" when it comes to any supposed "suppression" being done by Biden.
Private prisons, welfare reform, crime bill, cop cities, providing military equipment to cops, arresting protesters, this list of subjugation by democrats is near endless. Republicans are no better, but we know what to expect from them
Project 2025 thanks you for your efforts.
Project 2025 has been going on for years, it now just has a different name, same Boogeyman, different name.
Boring, lazy, accellerationist drivel.
You can do better than that.
Someone needs to be an accelerationist. This whole baby step incrementalism shit is how your party turned into right wing propaganda machine that it is.
Look at that folks, they aren't even hiding it anymore.
Before it was subtext. Now it is literal text.
Lol, you think they would never.
Harris is even more unlikeable than a corpse and hrc, so the DNC will likely settle on her.
Why?
He's probably racist, or sexist, or both. People love to assume everyone else has their same crappy views.