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It’s the Same Tattoo
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this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2024
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Reminds me of the time somebody in r/nursing asked if they would run into any problems having tattoos. Most places don't care too much these days and especially since they wanted to work psych which is pretty in-demand but I commented that if they're gang related or look similar to gang related symbols there could be trouble because there's a lot of crossover between the psych and corrections patient populations.
They told me "oh they're just some norse runes." Bruh. I thought you were gonna tell me it was a butterfly on your wrist or something you gotta be kidding me. They stopped responding before telling me which runes specifically but if an internet stranger clocked them from a few message board responses maybe they rethought some things.
I just really like Thor. It’s totally a coincidence that this looks like nazi shit.
Ok, legit though, a friend of mine started going bald in his mid 20’s. Tried growing his hair out but was eventually convinced that shaving his head was a better look.
Then he started to really get into Melodic & Power Metal and similar sounding music.
Then Amon Amarth. Which lead him to Norse mythology. So he gets a Mjolnir necklace. And he likes leather jackets.
Perfectly innocent!
And he visits some friends in Germany. Coincidentally there is an anti-nazi protest going on. This huge German dude takes one look at the pasty-white, skinhead, Norse symbol, leather jacket friend of mine and gets RIGHT UP I HIS FACE. Very intent on kicking his ass until the people he is visiting defuse the situation.
I think it’s a funny story, at least.
P.S. Fuck Nazis. 🖕
Fuck them for coopting fun symbols and ruining shit for everyone.
So norse runes are nazi symbols now?
Can we make a list of symbols that aren't associated with nazis? How much of the Latin alphabet can we keep?
Nazis have borrowed Norse symbology since like the beginning of Nazis. Their most recognizable symbol is also borrowed from other cultures.
Unlike the swastika, Norse symbols aren't so strongly associated with Nazis that they're now completely unacceptable, so some Nazis use them as a way to broadcast their interests while keeping some plausibly deniable "I just think they're neat" shit.
Don't forget they also called themselves Aryan despite the Aryans being from central/south Asia. They're generally considered to be Indo-Iranian based on where they ended up and where they started. But it flows off the tongue better to put the former first.
They also call themselves Caucasian despite that being Eastern European and Asian.
The Nazis were super into Norse runes. Hitler legitimately thought that they held magical powers.
I'd say I'm surprised you didn't know that, but honestly, I'm not because there's a lot of those kinds of things that they don't mention when teaching about WW2. Plenty of skinhead dog whistles that I didn't learn about until later on.
Yeah, Nazis have been coopting our shit since the 1930s and we're sick of it.
Sincerely
Far left anti-authoritarian pacifist from Denmark who likes Norse mythology.
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search?page=0
But the opposite of this one
The SS symbol is two norse runes meaning the sun and reinterpreted as victory. The nazis wanted to replace religion in their territory with an SS / Nazi based religion using pure aryan symbols instead of praising a jew. The norse symbolism is found throughout Nazi symbolism.
I just want to put this out here because it happened to me. I've had a deep interest in Norse mythology since I was a child and have several tattoos featuring runes and Norse mythological imagery. I knew that Othala was a common white supremacist symbol as well as things like the sonnerad, triskele, and valknut so I avoided them.
However, my most visible piece is a raven skull with 3 runes running down the middle. 2 of them are apparently associated with Nazi shit. Thankfully they're obscure enough that normal people don't assume I'm a white supremacist, but it's dog-whistley enough that I've had Nazis assume I was also a Nazi and try to strike up conversations with me.
For anyone considering getting runes, be very careful with which ones you select and how you present them. Here's a decent list of Norse symbols that have been associated with white supremacist movements
Adding more:
Also the full star of chaos sometimes gets you an anarchist, sometimes a Nazi, and most likely a warhammer player. It’s a weird symbol
88!? Dafuq, that's my favorite number! 😭
It's dumb numerology shit. Obviously Nazis can't go around saying "Heil Hitler" since they will immediately be clocked as a Nazi, and H.H. is pretty obvious what they are alluding to. So they post "88" since H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. You'll often see it coupled with "14" which represents the 14 words "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
It's also why they think that everything is a bad code that they can descramble. They have these super obvious codes to signal to others and assume every other group has a code that's just as poorly disguised. That's how we ended up with shit like Pizzagate. If you order certain pizzas that unlocks the secret basement with the kids! It's also why a lot of them think there's a super secret cabal running everything.
Nah pizzagate has an even stupider but simpler explanation. Qanon folk thought that pedophiles were using the term Cheese Pizza or CP as a code for Child Prono.
You know the super secret code! That means you've been to the basement of the pizza parlor that has no basement! You're one of them auntie faw child molesters!
Never got around to it, but I wanted to do a statistical search of Reddit usernames that pop up in subreddits with two or more numbers at the end. You'll of course have lots of people with '86 or '92 because they had their birth year at the end of their username. I'm betting '88 sticks out on the bar chart. Not everyone with an '88 at the end will be a nazi, but a disproportionate number with '88 would be a hint towards what kind of people the subreddit is attracting.
Wasn't there a copypasta about someone born in the 88 and having it in the username, being called a nazi and being sad about it?
The punchline is that the username in question is GasTheJews88.
you also would have to normalise over all the usernames of the platform. as a number repeating itself, i would assume that it generally attracts more attention. source: i compete in team sports. after the birthyears repeating numbers are the ones most often chosen for jersey numbers.
@BakerBagel@midwest.social Thanks for the explanation
Me over here with decades of usernames including 14 in them because it was my "lucky number" in speedway math.
I’d love to see an anti fascist Viking type get “kill Nazis” transliterated into runes as a tattoo
I hate how these bastards ruined Norse art and mythology imagery
I think it was the vikings who did that
Not at all most of the image of Vikings is wildly inaccurate and the britons don't have much wiggle room to talk about crazy shit their people did in the woods.
The Vikings had an economy based on chattel slavery fed by overseas raiding.
One of the best descriptions we have of a Viking burial comes from an Arab trader traveling among the Kievan Rus who is considered very reliable, where he describes the gangrape and murder/sacrifice of an enslaved woman before the burial ship is burned.
Other than that, the ending of the ritual is actually pretty funny. If you're interested in reading it for yourself look up Ibn Fadlan's journals.
The Vikings were more than that, in much the same way the Romans were more than their conquests or the Mongols more than a butchering horde, but there's a reason they're remembered for pillaging and murder and not trading. Mostly because the traders were the pillagers and murderers the moment they thought they could get away with it.
Viking revisionism to fit your own bias is not just a sin of the fascist.
You've not read about the britons have you huh?
What exactly did I revise dipshit?
What about the Britons do you think disproves anything I've said?
Way to dodge, you claim revisionist history. What exactly did I revise.
When you said the depictions of the Vikings are innaccurate in response to someone saying the Vikings ruined their own image thanks to all the slaving and conquering.
I'm sorry, I assumed you remembered the context of your own argument.
But, sure, they mostly didn't have horned helmets, good point or whatever you think you were defending about them.
Have any other slaver cultures you want to defend? Think the Portuguese and Spanish got a bad rap in the age of sail because the British were bad too?
They are largely inaccurate. I offered no specificity so arguing I'm wrong there would be stupid.
I'm sorry you assumed my position without any context or reason then deigned to compare me to fascists.
That's certainly one reason.
Nope, you apparently do with your whitewashing of slavery in Briton though hilarious you mention the age of sail where the English made their money..... Trading slaves you presumptuous douche.
Yeah, that was the point, that the Britons having their own problems is irrelevant to the specific criticism of Vikings and how they traumatized all of their neighbors for a thousand years, just as the English being evil colonizers doesn't stop the Portuguese and Spanish from also being evil colonizers.
And I didn't compare you to fascists. I said they're not the only ones guilty of revisionist history.
It's part of the inaccuracies yes, that is exactly the point.
You act like the britons weren't slave trading in Dublin and raiding their neighbors and oh yeah the thousand years of slave trading that followed.
The Viking aren't uniquely violent in their area nor are they unique in their violence when compared to global civilizations at the time. You imply the britons weren't raiding, pillaging, raping and slave trading each other which they absolutely were.
Similarly let's remember there's a huge debate about if all Norse were Viking or Vikings happened to be largely Norse given that recovered raids turn up English and Arab dudes dressed like Vikings.
The general consensus from what I'm aware of is that Viking is as good a term as any for a relatively well understood historical culture group because Germanics is too broad, Norse too specific, and Scandinavian either includes or excludes Sami and Finns unfairly depending on how you look at it.
Bingo. Loosely defined and notably not all Norse cultures.
Norse runes rule.
They don't belong to nazis, and everybody saying otherwise is an ally of the nazis and an enemy of the people.
Norse runes rule.
There's even some arguments that we should go back to them. Runes are the original English alphabet, and spelling would be more natural with them. But ripping them away from the nazis would be hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4npuVmGxXuk
There might be an argument for adding back in thorn and such but the funny thing about the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic rune system is that it was copied and altered from Etruscan/North Italian sources in the first place!
Oh absolutely but you kinda have to make it clear it’s not fash at the moment with them. I know a few Norse pagans and it’s a thing they get used to.
It's the beginning of a maze!
It's my favorite dungeon in the original Legend of Zelda
A place free from darkness...
wait Joshua was racist!?!
"Some people are just natural jumpers.."
I once walked into a gas station (a local one, hooray) and the guy behind the counter had a giant swastika tattoo on his arm.
Considering the sort of management that would allow such a person to work there, I avoided that station from then on.