cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6116584
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Can anyone explain the revisionist thing for a non american who's not familiar with revisionism in socialist parties?
In this context they're saying the philosophy of PSL is a revised form of Marxism(-Leninism, probably). With negative implications.
S4A is anti-China, they are an Ultra. In the video they elaborate on their statement here (that I watched out of morbid curiosity) and they accuse PSL of being revisionists for being Dengists.
If PSL is anything, it's Maoist, and they seemed to have leaned a bit on the ultra side when they first started the party, but I believe they have improved since then.
One of their old articles on China is somewhat ultra and idealist: https://www.liberationschool.org/what-do-socialists-defend-in-china-today/
I mentioned this article here where I was able to get outside perspectives.
I hear you, I was relaying what S4A accused them of. Perhaps I worded it a bit wrong.
Either way, I thought that PSL was officially Marcyist?
Is Marcyist when you're a Trot but you Trot yourself into supporting AES? I've mostly heard it in reference to Workers World Party and those guys seemed like very nice MLs with maybe a weird party history that I never fully understood.
That's my understanding as well, which is why PSL has many MLs, probably more than trots at this point. Just an interesting history, though with great comrades to my knowledge.
From my experience, if a member is a trot in PSL and become problematic, they are kicked out or drop themselves out. However, we are working with people coming from early stages of radicalizing. You'll notice the kind of people we work with from the questions they ask on some of The People's Forum's classes on YouTube. Many people are still developing, and I believe PSL does pretty well with educating them.
That's good to hear! I'm personally going to apply for FRSO membership soon, but it's good to hear that PSL is more principled than I thought as a Party, as I know PSL and FRSO frequently work together.
I do like FRSO, too, but I learned about PSL first and they have a pre-branch in my area that I was able to join.
Oh, cool! Good work, comrade
Sorry I meant to post with my hexbear account.
I like to keep separate accounts for tidiness purposes as well as to make switching to different instances on Jerboa easier, plus I believe some communities are locked to users registered to the instance they are on. I posted on a web browser, but Jerboa gives the link to the post based on the instance the OP is on and not the community the post is on. I like to post on a web browser because I like to ensure I set the language to my posts, which is still not a feature on Jerboa.Tbh, Idk. I believe PSL usually educates and follows ML principles but may make mistakes from time to time. I'm not sure if they have trot-like tendencies from my experience so far, but I know there are other issues that I believe they need to improve on. However, one theme of ML is that the material conditions in different nations have an impact on which methods of organization are needed for a successful revolution, and we have yet to see an advanced capitalist society turn socialist. Even if PSL isn't perfect or may or may not be the vanguard party of America in the future, I believe the actions they are taking are helping build class consciousness, which is absolutely necessary right now. We're having to build from scratch after COINTELPRO, which means we are still in the very early stages of organizing despite growing exponentially. I don't think PSL is necessarily trot as we have to build class consciousness and develop a centralized party under the belly of the beast, which means we have to learn and adapt to the conditions of America and use the elections as a tool.
Oh don't get me wrong, PSL are great comrades and has tons of MLs to my knowledge, I'm not knocking on PSL.