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I mean, it doesn’t help that literally everyone is cooperating. Not a single person has refused to leave their post, locked themselves in, thrown a punch, fought back, gotten arrested. Every federal worker “fired” has rolled over and taken it.
Americans are pussies. They have been telling themselves that their right to bear arms is enough, so they never bothered to learn actual resistance.
Their schools never taught anything about fascism except "we kicked their asses and saved Europe!" so the general population just aren't capable of recognizing fascism on the rise.
Now that its here, they still think they can stop it by playing fair.
Pussies.
Implying that the "right to bear arms" crowd is the same as the "playing fair" crowd...?? Are you high or are you just that ignorant about US culture?
Every American i ever met in real life has been in favor of civilians owning guns. Maybe some of them wanted better restrictions, but i have never met an American that wanted to get rid of all guns.
Cool anecdote, love the sample size.
I think plenty of them recognize it, they just can't organize by themselves. The seeds of distrust have been planted long ago, now they're starting to give fruit.
You want to know what happens to people who fight back? Look at Vindman and Snowden and Manning (not saying the latter two did everything right, of course, but they put themselves on the line). Democrats did nothing for them. If no one fights for the people who fight back, why would they just throw everything away? No one wants to be a martyr. No one wants to be left out to dry.
We haven't fought for the people who fight for democracy. How surprising is the consequence, really?
I'm sorry, what personal risk have you taken to stop Trump? You're demanding that ordinary people put their lives and careers on the line but have you done so yourself? Did I miss an article where you chained yourself to the Whitehouse fence or something?
Not my country, friend
How convenient and easy for you to criticize then.
And what do you want non-americans to do.. exactly?
Thanks to you all I'm sitting here in my non-american country worrying about a potential world war. Though at least I'm trying towards increasing support for Americans refugees fleeing the fascist regime
The same thing you're asking Americans to do. You can (still for now) come to the US and do whatever it is you think "they" should be doing.
Or is that too much of an ask for you but not for some guy who's been working in the forest service for 15 years?
It's so easy to be an armchair quarterback. These civil servants are normal people. They're not organized. They have families they need to feed. And all the Europeans are coming in here calling them cowards because they won't risk their lives in a futile effort to make a difference?
Americans if you don’t live in the US: if you don’t like it, go back to your country! How dare you come here and criticize us while enjoying the lifestyle America affords you!
Americans if you don’t live in the US: If you don’t live here, shut up- you have no right to criticize because you have nothing at stake! How dare you sit there on your high horse and claim to know better?
I’m starting to think Americans just can’t handle criticism, regardless of where it’s coming from.
Sounds like you're not a fan of criticism either. Perhaps you should consider the plank in your own eye?
I haven’t received any criticism- just told to shut up. Happy to take it if anyone wants to address my point.
You're criticizing ordinary people for not putting their lives on the line. Something you wouldn't do either. There's your critique - take it or leave it (my guess would be "leave it").
Correct. I’m criticizing ordinary people who claim to be patriots and public servants for putting their own interests first while the foundations of their democracy are under attack. Every authoritarian takeover has been made possible by bystanders. Also, “Something you wouldn’t do either” is a very weird presumption to make given that you don’t know anything about me or what I’d do.
Now here’s where you double down, get dismissive, call me a keyboard warrior, whatever. Pick your tired line.
Edit: yeah, your whole thing is very strange. Going to end this here. Defending cowards while shouting NO U isn’t the rhetorical win you think it is
And what have you done?
For which you were paid I presume. I don't have much respect for people in the military - most I've known are near sociopaths concerned more about pay grades than ideals. You putting your job on the line for anyone else? Getting arrested?
Than shut up.
*then
Go back to Reddit
Oh no... been here for years. Being pedantic isn't exclusive to that site. Much like you being a douche! if anything, that fits more appropriately for Reddit.
That’s not how this works.
Well, there's many in the US Parks and Forest Service who are taking a stand. You should check in on what they are doing. Some of it is, opaque. But, they are vocal about things being done.
That said, for plain old non-civil servants, the news is covering what we are doing to resist, a little. But there's not much for the public to do, at this point. We don't really start being needed until the jackboots show up. And right now, when they are, people are doing things like building reporting systems to give location and activity info on federal operations, people are doing the Know Your Rights campaigns in immigrant communities, and people are funneling reproductive health meds to where they need to go.
Most civil servants are just rolling over, and quitting, or just doing what they are told.
Bullshit. Go chain yourself to a fence at the Whitehouse. Get arrested for it. Or... Are you saying it's not worth the risk? The risk you're asking others to take?
Purposefully getting arrested does nothing except take you out of the fight, and discourages.others.
So, you want people to do things that demoralize the working class?
And frankly, you don't know what I'm doing.
And that's all that non-organized protest will ever achieve. People are asking individuals to "stand up" like it would accomplish anything and all it would likely do is destroy some rando's career or end with them in legal trouble that they can't afford.
Who is suggesting anyone do non-organized protests?
For starters, if fired, their career is already over.
And no, we're not demanding individuals stand up... We're demanding the entire civil servant corp do so.
Additionally, legal trouble is the least of the person's concerns in a fascist state. "Legal" is what the state determines is ok, not what is morally ok. And people need to get used to doing illegal things right now, because it's going to become a requirement to resist quite soon if we don't take drastic, and emphatic action like, right now.
A bunch of DoJ lawyers quit rather than not prosecute Adams.
I doubt that it will stop the fascists if the good guys quit though.
Agreed; but, to be fair, "leave their post" was one of the things the person
homesweethomeMrLwas responding to said absolutely no one was apparently doing.It was "refuse to leave their post" ;)
Ah! Right you are; I misread.