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Honestly, they helped me figure out that I'm leftist and not liberal, but if there's that much trolling coming from them, and it bothers the majority of y'all, then I totally get defederating them. I do not agree with their views on Russia anyway.
Edit: downvoting isn't going to change the fact that I'm not a fan of capitalism. That's all I mean by "I'm leftist, and not liberal" it's the simpleist distinction between the two.
Double edit: thank you to the folks who responded, for giving me additional perspective on the leftist diaspora(?) The "fanning out" about Russia and CCP was quite off putting and I couldn't mentally reconcile it.
You can be a communist and be against Marxism-Leninism. They will just call you a liberal and a traitor that is siding with imperialism.
And you can also be a leftist/socialist without supporting authoritarianism. They seem to have forgotten that, and gobble up CCP/Russian propaganda like it's candy. They give reasonable socialists a bad rep. I consider myself leftist. But because I don't support authoritarian regimes, that must mean I'm a dirty filthy liberal.
How can anyone on the left even associate themselves with ML when neither China nor Russia allow LGBTQ+ to exist in their countries? I don't understand ML at all
I mean, here are just a few sources
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/05/china-shuts-down-beijings-lgbt-center-as-part-of-increasing-repression-of-lgbtq-people/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/europe/russia-lgbtq-propaganda-law-signed-by-putin-intl/index.html
And the bigotry and racism is something else too in both countries, it's insane. There's no defense for this
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/asia/china-anti-african-attacks-history-hnk-intl/index.html
No one can really call themselves a "leftist" if extreme right-wing ideologies that the neo-nazis over here follow are what they condone
Because economic left and social left are different things?
Hexbear seems to have a lot of LGBTQ+ folk though
There's also black guys in the Proud Boys, what's your point?
Mostly due to them having an extremely zero-tolerance stance on transphobia, which I learned is extremely hard to find a place on the internet that does that, even among spaces designed for them. A lot of places will just let casual transphobia slide because "it's not that bad" or just because they don't personally see it. (It happens so often I actually made a word for it: not-seeism)
From what I've seen, they may claim to be far left, but act more like far right.
And I get that if you go far enough one way you come out on the other end.
The far left and far right are often more similar than the names imply. This makes sense when you realise they are both fishing in the same pond of disgruntled people at the fringes of society (though of course not exclusively). For many, it is more about being angry at the world than it is about standing for either ideology.
Fair enough, hadn't really thought of it that way before. Thanks for the insight.
I think that's just a misleading artifact of trying to describe everything with one dimension.
Fair enough
Man, I'd say I'm pretty left leaning, like Anarcho Syndaclist. That said what they're doing isn't doing anything but damage to their cause, worse it's making them look like the whispy lipped basement trolls they are.
I agree with them, in a way, that the US is a dangerous entity to world stability. Their habit of handwaving away the documented atrocities in NK, DPRC, Russia etc is just plain ridiculous. Just because the US isn't the bastion of light, truth and fair justice in the world doesn't mean that those who openly and directly oppose them fucking are!
Plenty of rightists also seem to have forgotten that Russia is their enemy.