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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Speaking of the pledge...

First, why pledge allegiance to a "flag"? It's weird, right?

Second, they added the phrase "under god" later after the pledge had already been adopted. But they also say, "indivisible". If atheists are full citizens, then it cannot be both "under god" and "indivisible", because you've just divided people into atheists and theists in the words immediately preceding.

When you start to put all the pieces together, the pledge is a bunch of nonsense that isn't even consistent with itself. How can you even make such a pledge?

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm a school bus driver and I attended a meeting of my local school board a few months ago. I was totally surprised when they kicked it off with the pledge of allegiance. I hadn't done it since middle school and I couldn't even remember which hand you're supposed to put over your heart.

It's fucked up. I would proudly pledge allegiance to the fucking Constitution instead.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't. Yeah it's a pretty great document all things considered, but it still has it's flaws. Also it took over 200 years to get it to sort of good. Remember the U.S. Constitution still allows slavery as a punishment for a crime, I'd never pledge allegiance to that.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey at least they weren't successful in implementing the one-raised-arm solute that the initial folks pushing for the pledge in schools wanted to see. That would've aged reeeeally well...

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, they did. But they ditched it after Hitler adopted it. Bad optics for our fashy loyalty oath, ya know.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

Well now that the Nazi's are in charge and they've gutted the Dept of Education, I wouldn't doubt if they started doing it again. They'll just add the words "My heart goes out to you" at the end.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Was 'one nation indivisible' which they divided with god.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Indivisible means the south best not try that shit again, while under God means no commies (ignore the fact that a socialist pastor wrote the rest of it)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's not meant to be logic - after all, it's targetting kids, who are hardly likely to challenge it and actually think it through like you did - it's meant to train kids to be Nationalistic.