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The Switch.
Damn thing was fragile af, and they wanted to rent everything to us, no more Virtual Console no more solid hardware, they spend more money suing people for fixing it then they do on it like blocking local backup of saves so they can force a cloud sub and them still not having fixed the drifting JoyCons then charging you more than they are worth for repairs.
I... I have to ask. I really like the switch as the last console there ever was or possibly might be. But I see lots of issues too.
By rent everything to us, you mean game downloads? If so, the switch has a huge physical media collection but yes they might not be in your stores.
I mean the emulation, their online service as a sub with it all included, rather than letting us buy like they did from the time they implemented it up through the 3DS. There's issues with digital copies, but my 3DS has a permanent license when they closed the eShop, so all of the games I have on it will work until the system dies and I can;t downalod them again. The Switch, if I am not subscribed to Online, all of them are gone.
I wholeheartedly agree, the classic games in Nintendo online as a subscription is a shit concept.
If I didn't have better ways of playing these (and more) retro games I wouldn't have any morality issues using a hacked switch to play these.
Oh, they're all on RetroArch, now.
I just hate them not letting you pay for it, their greed forces piracy, but then I've not downloaded a game because I was too broke to buy it for decades. It's all been being unable to buy, or having terrible DRM that broke the game, or a shitty launcher that you were forced to use.
This is my answer too. As soon as I read the question it just hit me. I only had a lite. Never the big one. The thing was fragile. It always felt like I was gonna break it even just holding it in my hands. I babied the fuck out of that system. I really enjoyed the games I had for it. I played it quite a bit. It's just that the system itself was kinda jank. The lifeless interface, the slow store, the slow games that pushed the hardware too far. Just bleh. Then Steam Deck came out and it blew it out of the water in every way possible.
I never got the steam deck comparison.
It's like comparing different leagues, classes or whatever and then additionally apples and oranges.
Yes, first off, of course the steam deck is far more powerful than the switch. For the price and used hardware it better be! That's a moot point basically, I could also argue that a >2k€ mobile should be more powerful than a <200€ one. Also, the switch literally is a mobile while the steam deck more of a PC anyhow, which again is a more powerful platform. I'm not going into energy usage though.
The other point is that the steam deck is a pc with a console frontend and that the switch is a console. One is a locked down system (with hard specs) and the other - Well, a pc.
That makes neither better or worse but it depends on your requirements. I love my PCs but sometimes I just want stuff to work and be one packaged experience. And thats where consoles shine. Example: I've played steredenn on switch but never got the controls to work on steam deck, although it's a Linux version even.
The point being. It's fine to like the steam deck over the switch. But it's not comparable however crappy the switch might be.
I get what you're trying to say but I really disagree. You can compare the two because they're offering the same basic premise. The ability to play video games in a handheld form. Of course the price is different. Of course the capabilities are different. Of course the power of the two machines are different. That's a given. They're two different pieces of technology. We compare technology based off of what they're offering. These two machines are offering the same thing. The ability to play video games in a handheld form. In what world is anything that's offering the same thing as another thing not up for comparison?
For me the Steam Deck made the Switch a redundant device. You can compare them apples to apples. Store experience? Steam Deck wipes the floor with the Switch. We all know the Switch has a horrible store experience. Online capabilities? Steam Deck. Don't have to pay $20 a year to use online capabilities with my Deck. Form factor? Steam Deck is a big bulky machine but it's more ergonomically better suited for me because I'm not as scrunched up like I was holding the Switch lite. OG Switch may have a better experience there. Games they offer? The only thing a Switch offers that separates the two in favor of the Switch is the ability to play Nintendo games natively without jumping through hoops.
You can say the Switch is a console and the Steam Deck is a PC all you want. That's factually true. You can even compare that. They're both computers with a processor, a fan, some form of gpu. One offers a closed off user experience bound to the rules and end user license agreement of a single company. The other is an open full blown PC experience where the makers of the machine say do whatever you want to it. Because you can do whatever you want to a Steam Deck you may run into problems with it that you wouldn't otherwise experience on a console. That's a fine and fair comparison.
To say they aren't comparable is shielding the Switch from criticism. It's doing a disservice to anybody who is looking for a handheld device to play video games because you're hiding information from a perspective buyer who may have a certain set of requirements pertaining to purchasing such a device.
Thanks for the great discussion. I am fine with everything but the last paragraph.
But first, let's respectfully still disagree in general. However I think we're just expressing it differently.
So, from a pc perspective the steam deck is obsolete, since my 14" notebook is a far better device to me. And it's highly mobile too. Thing is, this point is basically going nowhere since with price and over all sectors there will always be a (technologically objective) better device. Why don't we all buy pro tools? Well price for one. It's always about the ratio. Anyhow, just for clarity, I'm really fine with disagreeing here.
Regarding the last paragraph: just recently I had a talk with someone interested and she was looking for a mobile device. I told her about switch and also steam deck, showed both and highlighted the experience differences but as the main point I told her she at the single most important thing needs to look into the game libraries which suits her otherwise she will have a paperweight. It is always and has always been the software that sells the systems.
The perspective buyer wants to play a game and deserves the best experience. On whatever current or future system that might be, and has to weigh in on the price he wants to spend. And that's what I would recommend.
Yeah no problem. I think I know where the disagreement is stemming from. I may be wrong so you can correct me, but you look at the Steam Deck as a handheld PC competing with other PCs. I look at the Steam Deck as a handheld PC competing with other handhelds in general. That's the disagreement. It's a fine line because neither one is really right or wrong. We fall on the opposite sides. I have a PC that is much more powerful than the Steam Deck. That didn't make the Steam Deck obsolete to me. I wasn't looking at the Steam Deck as a PC replacement.
My last paragraph and your actions with your friend prove my point. If they weren't comparable you wouldn't bring them up together. I do agree with you that software sells the system. That's why I bought a Switch to begin with.
The Steam Deck with Eden on it plays Switch games better than my Switch, move up to a more powerful Ally X or a full computer...
Yeah my PC is part of the reason the Switch was so disappointing too. I really wanted a handheld so I didn't have to sit at my desk. Turns out I sat at my PC way more than I ever turned on the Switch. Outside of the exclusives it was a really redundant system.
Sadly Xenoblade doesn't play well on emulation, the only exclusives I lost, I was kinda miffed about losing my Animal Crossing island after having spent hundreds of hours building it and raiding forums for island visit codes of people with rare items in the shop but it is what it is when the greey company locks your saves on internal memory and sues the guy who dropped the code to copy them.
That and surprisingly Breath of the Wild always crashes my PC after a while. I don't know what is causing the crash other than possibly a spike in memory that freaks the GPU out. Luckily Unicorn Overlord doesn't do that and that game looks a million times better on my PC. It upscales really nice.
The weird one I get is DQ XIS, if I launch it in 2D mode it plays perfectly, but if I swap to 3D it crashes hard, like my whole computer has frozen up and I run Linux so that's not normal.
I miss Xenoblade, and I'm mad I bought special editions of the whole series only to be unable to play them now, but that's a few hundred bucks lost vs all the money spent buying three Switches only to have them fail and losing saves because you can;t back them up yourself and Nintendon't sued the guy who wrote the code that let you to push their shitty cloud nobody asked for.
I've been off Sony for a while, as well, because getting ads on the home screen was a big "Nope!" for me, but when I left they had a better cloud system, but you could still plug in a USB device and backup your saves to it without PS+. No idea if they broke it as well, but Nintendo has always been at the forefront ot greedy corporate fuckery, it's just now that enshittification has seeped into everything pushing the boundaries of an already bad ecosystem isn't just kinda annoying like it used to be.
I'm on Linux too. AMD or Nvidia?
Nvidia, at least this time, they've ticked me off enough when I upgrade I'll be leaving. Vulkan drivers are nice for Eden, though. Much better performance than the GL option, though a few games fritz out on Vulkan and I have dropped textures bad enough I need to force GL instead.
Animal Crossing, the one I play the most, is very mixed. It runs insanely fast using Vulkan, but sometimes my hair will disappear, or my floor will just be a black void when I enter the house. GL fixes this, but runs at about 3/4 the speed, which is good enough by I can see noticable lag when I am in the "park" I built between two waterfalls.
I'm sure there's a setting somewhere I'm missing, but I've always just powered through things since this is the oldest my GPU has ever been, and an RTX 3060 isn't that old and fairly decent for most things. I played Cyberpunk (the original even supported ray tracing, but I had to drop that with the 2.0 update and increased hardware requirements) without issue, though I have noticed anything running on Proton tends to have issues with reducing the framelimit which native Linux ports don't have any I didn't see in Windows before I switched to avoid the Plague of Eleven.
Ahh ok. I'm on AMD. It's an older card, the 5700xt. It crashes at the sight of FSR for pretty much everything. Probably time to upgrade.