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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (18 children)

The "G" stands for "Graphics". Why would anybody pronounce it "jif"?

[–] panathea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The P in JPEG stands for photographic so I guess we shall pronounce it "jayfeg" based on that logic.

/s

Descriptive linguistic opinion: both the hard and soft G pronunciations are used, with the hard G being more common, but I like the soft G and use it myself.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

id vibe with jayfeg if it meant everyone pronounces gif correctly

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Steve Wilhite (engineering lead on the team that created GIF) said the soft g is the right pronunciation.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only argument is that the guy who invented and named the GIF originally pronounced it that way, but he was a computer scientist, not a linguist. Thankfully the inevitable and uncontrollable evolution of language corrected that mistake fairly quickly.

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[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Because at the origin of the format, "choosy graphic designers choose .GIF". Which is a direct reference to JIF, the brand of peanut butter, and their tagline.

The pronunciation of an acronym often has little to nothing to do with the words themselves they represent, and more to do with the acronym itself as though it were a word.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

So they decided how it should be pronounced based on a cheap marketing ploy, even less reason to care how the creators said it.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Reverse that.

.jif (jpeg interchange format) came out 5 years after .gif.

It was an homage to GIF.

Edited to add: Also no one ever really used it.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

If you pronounce gif based on the word itself, it would clearly have a hard "G". I don't think it's decided by the creator anymore then by the words making up the acronym either.

Imo, word pronunciation and meaning depends on whatever "takes" in society. Most just say it like it would sound, the creators pronunciation clearly lost.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't think it's decided by the creator anymore then by the words making up the acronym either.

I mean, they got to name it... How it sounds is part of that...

Most just say it like it would sound, the creators pronunciation clearly lost.

How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif?

I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I mean, they got to name it... How it sounds is part of that

How it sounds is a lot more related to basic prononciation rules then the arbitrary whims of the inventor.

In this case, he chose to name it GIF which is, believe it or not, pronounced gif in the English language. If he wanted to have it sound like jif, he should have named it JIF.

Not to say that we don't sometimes disregard the rules for certain words. Ultimately a words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage. I think collectively, we have chosen to ignore the creators lack of basic linguistic skills and prononce the word how it's written.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Thank you, at least there's one other person in here making this decision based on reason and not emotion.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

If you read my name, and I pointed out that your pronunciation was wrong, would you tell me my pronunciation is incorrect due to pronunciation rules rather than how my parents named me?

Edit: and I'll just note, a soft g is very well defined, and is usually behind an e, i, or y, while a hard g is typically behind an a, o, or u, but let's focus on the whole "who gets to choose how a name is pronounced" bit for a moment.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This g isn't behind anything, it's in front of an i. Add a t to the end of it, that's the most similar word in the entire language. The people using the word choose how it's pronounced, that's what language is.

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

let's focus on the whole "who gets to choose how a name is pronounced"

A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago

A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

I agree. I know a ton of people that say it one way, and a ton of people who say it the other. At this point, like many English words in a similar scenario, both pronunciations are valid. I prefer to use the creator's pronunciation, but I think saying it the other way is acceptable. At this point, everyone will know what you're talking about regardless of pronunciation.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif? I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

I agree there are no winners, there have been plenty of losers.

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[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You know I daresay that basically your exact comment is what OOP was responding too on reddit.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't doubt it.

Some folks get unreasonably mad about what they consider "right".

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's,,,, exactly what it sounded like you were doing...

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm pointing to the lead of the team that created it. They get to name it, not me.

I'm also not oddly mad about it like the person replying to me with lots of exclamation points, the user in OPs image, or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

All I said was the people responsible for it say its a soft g, not a hard g.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

But if the creator of jpeg came out tomorrow and said "it's actually supposed to be pronounced "jayfeg", would anyone change how they say it? I highly doubt it.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And if it would be spelled "jpheg", that's how we would pronounce it.

Jyp heg would be my pronunciation for that.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 20 points 6 months ago

The "G" stands for "Graphics". Why would anybody pronounce it "jif"?

Well some of us are refined enough to pronounce it like “giraffe-ics.”

(But also because it was a joke by the format’s creators. “Choosy developers choose GIF.” Like the “choosy moms” Jif peanut butter commercials.)

[–] tyler@programming.dev 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Because the words inside an acronym have no bearing on how the acronym is pronounced. And in this case, it’s not just as acronym. It’s a product name, where the creators get to choose to name it whatever the fuck they want. “Choosy developers choose gif”. So there’s plenty of reasons it should be using a soft g and zero reasons it should be using a hard g.

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[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ask the person who created the format, who pronounced it that way themselves

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago

Ask the company who developed it and used a selling slogan that parodied JIF peanut butter.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The U in scuba stands for underwater yet people pronounce it scOOba

The E in hepa stands for efficiency yet its pronounced HEPA with a short E

The A in nato stands for Atlantic and the O stands for organization

The first A in ASAP is for as

The Os in POTUS, SCOTUS and FLOTUS all come from of and the Us comes from United

Acronyms don’t need to sound like the word they are from

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (10 children)

And words don't need to sound the way they did when they were coined

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As the initialism it is. It's impossible to mispronounce, or have multiple competing pronunciations for initialisms as the names of letters are contextually static. Yes C can make different sounds in words, but if you're just saying the name of the letter, there's only one way to say it.

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