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Ban private jets and cut speed limits to avert UK fuel crisis, say campaigners
(www.theguardian.com)
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Cut the speed limit for ICE cars only.
We drive on electricity from our own solar panels, and we are not contributing to the fuel crisis with our house whatsoever.
Our house is warmed by wood pellets, and we contribute electricity to the grid by about twice what we use, and drive fully electric on surplus energy.
So not a single drop of oil or gas is used for energy in our household.
I grow my own diesel in a field, can I roll coal now?
This is such a stupid analogy, what about the situation about using electricity from my own solar panels is equivalent to either use farmland that could be used for food, or in any way equivalent to burning coal which is harmful in so many ways.
This is so far removed from the situation I describe, that it is beyond a straw man argument!!
Why so I get these moronic responses?
No, I poked your argument and you wigged out.
You don't get to go faster purely because you grew your own energy.
So the purpose of the idea is irrelevant?
Because making an EV go slower does not serve the purpose, but is actually contrary to it.
Because it doesn't stimulate people to abandon ICE cars.
You are a weird unpleasant person that want to make life worse for people for no good reason.
Actually, you're wrong because its worse for EVs. Their most economical speed is usually city speed. Diesel cars geared for highway do better there than in town.
If we followed your rules you'd be stuck going 45mph.
Edit: I'm just going to ignore you being shitty. Just because an argument isn't going your way doesn't make me unpleasant, it makes you a look like a dip.
What part of using renewable energy over oil is it that you don't understand?
And even on a kWh basis, and EV uses way less energy even at high speed road speeds. an EV uses typically about 18 kWh per 100 km at that speed, and an ICE car uses almost 50 kWh of fuel if it drives 17 km/l. The 50 kWh energy used by the ICE car, could make 27 kWh in a power plant, and could be used to deliver 24,5 kWh to charge an EV after losses in the grid and charging.
I'm just going to ignore you being ignorant and irrational. I'm not "growing" my own energy, the energy is generated on the roof of my house, and doesn't take up farm land.
You probably just don't like cars generally out of principle, which is why you acted like an idiot, but we live in the country where a car is absolutely necessary.
Cities have other options like bicycles and public transport, we don't have those options here.
Speed limits are for safety, too. One reason I favour them - I use the bicycle all the time and it makes my transport safer for me and other cyclists. And, more people using bikes means more spare capacity in public transport which matters a lot for people which are too old, too ill, or need to go long distances. With driving slower, you help that transition.
Also, speed limits make electric cars more affordable for those fellow citizens which so far couldn't afford to buy one, since driving at lower speed needs substantially less power and thus battery capacity and performance, which is one of the costliest aspects of an electric vehicle.
I never claimed there shouldn't be speed limits for safety for all cars.
You won't really benefit as the road will be filled with slower traffic. Having to pass people constantly isn't ideal. Speed cameras won't be able to distinguish EVs and ICE so you'll be going to court a lot to get tickets dismissed. Safer and simpler to have one speed limit.
Wrong. They read the car registration plate and with this you know if the car is an EV, a ICE car or an hybrid since these informations are asked when you ask for it.
Of course I will, this is about high speed roads, and they have multiple lanes, and slower traffic is not allowed to block the faster lanes.
Well, I am riding a bike. Does that give me the right to piss on your lawn? I think no.
Regarding the fuel and carbon stuff, we are all in this crisis that means we need to invent a sustainable way of living. Like travelers on a sinking boat, we should all try hard to keep it afloat.
Which is not banning private jets and slowing down ICE cars. The global contribution to polllution of cars is about 70%, the one of the aviation trnasportation is 2% (there are about 100.000 fly a day) and I'd say that in this 2% the private jets are a really small number of the total, so banning private jets maybe give you a 0.05%, not worth the trouble (even if everything helps of course).
Lowering the speed of ICE cars don't really help, I am not that sure that more time on the road at a lower speed produce less pollution. Safety is another question but you have not it by lowering only the ICE cars (it helps of course)
A better solution would be to mandate working from home for everyone who can, far less car on the roads.
So how would you feel it was justified if you were only allowed to drive 15 km/h on your bike, to help solve the oil crisis? Obviously it would have zero effect, and be completely moronic.
In the exact same way it is moronic to slow down EV traffic to save fuel, it is on the contrary necessary to stimulate people to switch to EV even faster, to save more on fossil fuels.
And how the fuck has it got anything to do with pissing on anyone's lawn? That's a completely moronic argument that doesn't make the least bit of sense.
And how are we not doing that, investing almost all our money to use sustainable energy?
Why do you want to punish the people who actually went in 100% to use renewable energy, instead of putting the limitations on the cars that use fossil fuel?
Go piss in a corner, you apparently want to.
The thing is that when I use a bicycle, I do not put a burden on other people, or the community, or expose others to deadly risks. But you do when you drive a car, and that gives society the right to restrict its use, for example in terms of speed. Even when your car is electric, it exposes others to risk of accidents, particulate matter that causes pulmonary problems, dissuades others from using a bicycle in the city, and so on.
And apart from that, I wouldn't participate in online discussions where I get the impression that people are trolling. It is interesting how often that happens when the discussion comes to things that might even slightly affect the interests of the car industry or the fossil industry. It is as if these industries know that they cannot win any reasonable and rational discussion, and resort to astroturfing and trolling instead. Just to make you aware of these patterns.
OK, but I explicitly stated that I did not object to limitations based on safety. But that a very different debate.
Also these limitations are for high speed roads and have nothing to do with city traffic.
You are CLEARLY the troll here, arguing besides the point, and being contrarian.