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Leopards Ate My Face

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[–] paranoid@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

The intelligence here is the ability for this person to change their core beliefs after seeing, and accepting, facts.

It matters less how long it took for them to get here, and more that they are here now

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 36 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No no no...

How long it took them to get here was really fucking important.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Some people will see and feel things directly and change their opinions. Others, the real fucking problems here, will just keep doubling down. Those are the ones who will kill us all and themselves

The dude double downed for 14 years and now it's too late and trump has the country by the balls, and how many millions have already died since the first trump election? Stop it, yes it's good the guy is finally seeing the light, he's still a fucking moron and intelligence belongs nowhere near his name.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sure... Are we in this current predicament because people will eventually realize that trump is a POS, or are we in it because they didn't realize it 10, 6, and/or 2 years earlier?

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 3 points 8 hours ago

The line im drawing is between those who can change and those who cannot. This guy is still a fool but better than the unwaivering true believers.

Yeah and my cat is intelligent enough to run away from loud sounds.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The capacity for introspection and change is an important and valuable quality, but that's not what intelligence means.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

The ability to change your point of view upon receiving external information challenging that point of view is definitely a key component of intelligence. Both Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking have essentially said the same thing.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If it takes a decade to see and accept facts it's no so much intelligence as an accidental brain neuron firing.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

I don’t think you’re taking into account the monumental propaganda machine in America. Especially with conservative media, which gradually ramped it up to the point it is at today. This was all planned in the 70s: conservatives knew then that an educated populace spelt doom for the Republican party, so they intentionally created a media machine to brainwash people. Check out the Powell memo.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think people are so much doubting his intelligence as doubting the sincerity of his about-face?

Is he against Trump because he's become enlightened, and wishes to renounce all the bigoted ideals Trump championed?

Or has Trump's deranged rampage personally hurt him more than he could tolerate? And now he wants a more placid ride?

It's hard to say. And I'm not very willing to let a fascist get away scot-free, even if a few reformed racists have to suffer the social consequences of their actions in the meanwhile. It's not charitable, sure. But fascism is a disease and you don't eradicate a disease by being charitable when quarantining.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Extremely well said.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd say it matters quite a lot that it took them this long to get there. Quite a lot indeed.

These people should be banned from polite society and be glad that's all.