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That proportionally hits poor and middle class people harder than rich people.
They literally only set them up in the poor areas in town and not where the rich run red lights continuously.
Oh yeah rich people never travel through cities ever, you’re right, how could I forget?
??? Can't tell what's being said here. Sarcasm?They didn't put them in the areas of the city that the rich people travel through.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but rich people get caught by these traffic cameras as well. The fees just don’t sting as much for them because it’s a smaller percentage of their overall wealth.
It’s insult on top of injury that they target poor and middle class neighborhoods with these cameras.
That is true, but in this case they installed them in what were previously redline districts nearly exclusively, and nowhere near the business or government districts.
Bro I’m not disagreeing with you.
I think it’s silly to believe that not a single well-off person travels through those intersections ever though.
I never said that, and I'm also not disagreeing with you.
It hits people who go through red lights the hardest. No one is forcing anyone to run a red light.
And of those, the punishment is inversely proportional to their income.
Shit happens and this disproportionally punishes poor people harder.
Shit happens? Really? Running a red light at an intersection is shit happens?
You know you convinced me that this poor rich argument is stupid. Run a red light get ticket, don't run a red light don't get a ticket.
I don't recall running more lights depending on my wealth because I don't like to kill people.
The shit that shouldn't happen is not auditing any company running these things.
The problem with that logic is it’s already been demonstrated that it can be configured for profit rather than safety. We have no reason to trust these and every reason to expect that any ticket is capricious, possibly invalid, and a long after the fact enforcement so you won’t even be able to remember if you did it
It will not make anyone safer, just reduce trust in law enforcement even more, drive profit to some connected company, and be an unreasonable driving tax that will mostly hit those who can least afford it.
Speaking as someone who
I was really annoyed with the persons "shit happens" comment. Ok fuck it, shit happens, so do nothing is the wrong answer, and frankly I do not want to get T-boned in an intersection and I am not really concerned if the rich or poor are doing it. Fuck them both if they run red lights.
However, cameras do in fact make it safer. Statistics and studies have shown you have about a 20 percent reduction in side crashes, and of those you have about a 29 reduction in injuries. There also is a side effect where a camera at one light actually causes other intersections to be safer as people are not sure if there are cameras there.
So we know it improves safety.
We also know that several states had to pass additional laws or restrictions because vendors AND cities and counties were trying to force revenue by shortening the yellow light duration. So I can agree with you there, accountability matters.
Yet in two places, cities simply increased the yellow duration, which ALSO improved safety, and nearly as much. I think California passed a law to increase all yellows by another second.
So what is the take away: people are shitty. Poor people, government workers, vendors, rich people, they all have people that suck. I don't want to be in an accident. I really don't care what it takes, but I don't even know where to begin when I am driving in America and realize they a huge portion are rude dipshit morons who only seem to care about themselves. How can the society even function when they just don't care?