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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Iran's uranium enrichment program (the only purpose of which is to make weapons-grade uaranium) is well documented by the IAEA.

There were plenty of "Kill Trump" banners at the Ayatollah's funeral. And it's obvious they've wanted to kill Trump since Trump ordered the assassination of Soleimani.

Yes, Trump is a demented racist. But that doesn't mean you have to deny reality on everything to do with things you don't like.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The bullshit part was the timeframe which they said they were going to be able to enrich the amount of uranium needed to make a viable nuclear weapon. Plus, they are a sovereign nation who are allowed to make nuclear weapons, especially considering the US unilaterally ended the treaty that prohibited nuclear programs.

Also, random people holding kill trump banners isn't the same as the Iranian government making a feasible plan to assassinate the president.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They already had a uranium enriched to 60% according to the IAEA. https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-on-developments-in-iran

Sure starting from nothing to enriching uranium to the level needed to build a nuclear weapon would take a long time. But a country that has a uranium enrichment program that has already enriched uranium to 60%?

Also, random people holding kill trump banners isn’t the same as the Iranian government making a feasible plan to assassinate the president.

The IRGC controls information in Iran. Large banners that say "We will kill Trump" wouldn't be put up if the IRGC didn't approve. Also they've wanted kill Trump since he assassinated Soleimani. Killing the Ayatollah probably didn't change that.

I'm not saying Trump or Netanyahu are good, or that Iran doesn't have a reason to want to kill them. But let's not pretend the IRGC are innocent little lambs that would never ever do anything wrong. Trump, Netanyahu, the Ayatollah, the IRGC are all a bunch of shitbags.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure starting from nothing to enriching uranium to the level needed to build a nuclear weapon would take a long time. But a country that has a uranium enrichment program that has already enriched uranium to 60%?

Going for 60% to have a functional nuclear bomb is going to take longer than 2 weeks. You might be able to convert 60% to 90% if you had enough materials and enough centrifuges running, but that's not a bomb. Not to mention the time required to make a delivery system. They've been producing highly enriched uranium since 2021, the two week claim was just another misleading justification for an unjust war.

And again, they are a sovereign country, they are allowed to build nuclear weapons. We aren't invading every country in the world producing highly enriched uranium.

The IRGC controls information in Iran. Large banners that say "We will kill Trump" wouldn't be put up if the IRGC didn't approve.

Why wouldn't the IRGC approve of their citizens disliking a world leader that is actively bombing them? Even if they approved the sentiment, it doesn't mean they are actively making immediately actionable plans.

But let's not pretend the IRGC are innocent little lambs that would never ever do anything wrong.

Putting this into the context of geopolitics..... Did the IRGC commit any acts of war that would justify an invasion? Even if there were legitimate plans to take out the president of the United states, would that not be a valid wartime operation?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No one ever said tow weeks, except maybe Trump. But he's not a source of information.

You might be able to convert 60% to 90% if you had enough materials and enough centrifuges running, but that’s not a bomb. Not to mention the time required to make a delivery system.

They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they'd be able to put together a little boy style bomb.

The IAEA reported last year they were detecting radiation in places where Iran did not report having nuclear material. So they were moving material around in secret. For what purpose we don't know. But there's only one purpose to having nuclear material enriched above 5%.

And again, they are a sovereign country, they are allowed to build nuclear weapons.

So now you're admitting they're building nuclear weapons?

Putting this into the context of geopolitics… Did the IRGC commit any acts of war that would justify an invasion?

No war is justified. It's very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.

Iran has made it clear they want to "wipe Israel off the map". That means they have ambitions on being an existential threat to another nation. If they construct nuclear weapons they would have the means to execute that threat.

If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so. This is the way the world works, there are no 19th century style justifications for war anymore.

Even if there were legitimate plans to take out the president of the United states, would that not be a valid wartime operation?

Whether it's valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome. If they wanted a diplomatic outcome, the IRGC wouldn't have allowed the banners, or at the very least make sure it wasn't publicized.

They are calling Trump out for another fight, that's what this means.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No one ever said tow weeks, except maybe Trump. But he's not a source of information

That was the statement you were originally replying too.... That was the justification for the entire war.

They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they'd be able to put together a little boy style bomb

Any sources for that?

So now you're admitting they're building nuclear weapons

I'm saying there isn't any reason a sovereign nation isn't allowed to build a bomb if they wanted.

No war is justified. It's very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.

That's a justification you fucking idiot.

Iran has made it clear they want to "wipe Israel off the map". That means they have ambitions on being an existential threat to another nation. If they construct nuclear weapons they would have the means to execute that threat.

When has it ever been an official policy goal of Iran to "wipe Israel off the map"?

If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so

Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?

Whether it's valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome.

They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them..... Seems like it's the US that's not interested in diplomatic outcomes.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That was the statement you were originally replying too… That was the justification for the entire war.

Ok so some guy on the internet called Chairman Meow said that. I didn't say that.

They have the centrifuges. They have a delivery system. Once they have the material, they’d be able to put together a little boy style bomb

Any sources for that?

Yeah, the IAEA. It's not my job look up information for you, the site is here: https://www.iaea.org/

Much of the information is in PDF form, and very technical stuff. So shit tier "journalists" won't read it.

I’m saying there isn’t any reason a sovereign nation isn’t allowed to build a bomb if they wanted.

What about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons#Iran

I think you'll find Iran is violating international law with it's actions.

No war is justified. It’s very 19th century to think this way. Wars are necessary when another nation threatens your survival.

That’s a justification you fucking idiot.

When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene. The way things are done now is there's escalation and de-escalation. It allows countries to back off from a war.

I'm talking about international norms and you call be a "fucking idiot". Maybe you need to educate yourself on how the world works beyond playing HOI4 or where ever you get your ideas from.

If a nation has the capability to eliminate an existential threat, it is necessary for them to do so

Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?

Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?

Whether it’s valid or not is not relevant. It is a signal that they are not interested in a diplomatic outcome.

They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them… Seems like it’s the US that’s not interested in diplomatic outcomes.

Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable. It's possible war could have been avoided had Americans voted for Harris. But broadly speaking Americans are too stupid to know when they are voting for war. They voted for the Iraq war and didn't realize that, and by voting in Trump again they were voting for a war with Iran.

If we could rewind time and tell Bush not to do the "axis of evil" speech (which was the US signalling war with Iran) and use the time machine again and tell Trump to not cancel treaties with Iran and kill their general, and if they listened, then maybe a war could've been averted.

But since time travel isn't a thing, the adults need to focus on the situation at hand and not obsess over grievances. Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They've consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions. This is obviously unacceptable (if you're not a fucking psychopath) and needs to be prevented.

The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it's neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians. It's clear they will attempt to repeat this in the future. Not to mention the fact that they've killed at least 30,000 Iranians to maintain their power.

Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would've never made the "axis of evil" speech, Trump wouldn't have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn't have killed an Iranian general. But that it not the world we're living. In the world we live in has Iran under control of some psychopaths that want to build a nuke.

Bottom line, these psychopaths can't be allowed to have a nuke.

Ok so some guy on the internet called Chairman Meow said that. I didn't say that.

Yes, and your response to that is what we have been discussing....

Yeah, the IAEA. It's not my job look up information for you, the site is here: https://www.iaea.org/

So it's a no then. They have ballistic missiles, but none with the range to deliver a nuclear warhead to Israel. The estimated timeline for them to have to develop an icbm is 2028. Also "IAEA reports indicate that Iran does not yet have a viable nuclear weapon design or a suitable explosive detonation system."

Much of the information is in PDF form, and very technical stuff. So shit tier "journalists" won't read it.

And only shit tier journalists are reporting on Iran.....?

What about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty? I think you'll find Iran is violating international law with it's actions.

It is mostly a farce, as non of the signatories actually pursued disarmament in good faith, and nations including Israel have been secretly been working on nuclear weapons programs for years. The US itself has increased spending on its nuclear arsenal by over 20% in recent years. Plus, the treaty allows nations to withdraw in case of extraordinary events.

When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene.

And war doesn't exist unless it's officially declared? Wars still happen, and they are still given justifications by those who make to their own citizens and to their allies.

international norms and you call be a "fucking idiot".

Because you are being a pedantic idiot.

Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?

Then why haven't we invaded North Korea every time their leader says something about blowing up the South? It's almost like it's an idiotic justification used to playcate people like yourself.

Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable.

Seems to directly refute your earlier claims.......

Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They've consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions.

Again, when has the official political stance of the Iranian government been to wipe Israel off the map? You don't think that might be counter intuitive to there actual grievances? They are going to save Palestine by washing it in nuclear fallout?

A Nuclear weapons primary use is as a deterrent, noone is going to risk the global political backlash of being the first to unleash the nuclear arsenal in an offensive manor, not to mention it would ensure nuclear retaliation. It would essentially be a murder suicide on a national scale.

The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it's neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians.

Israel has attacked all of its neighbors, are the people who actually murdered 73k Palestinians, and the people who are still engaged in a genocide.

Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would've never made the "axis of evil" speech, Trump wouldn't have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn't have killed an Iranian general.

So Iran is responsible for their actions, but the US and Israel are not.....go figure.

these psychopaths can't be allowed to have a nuke.

Unfortunately we live in a world where the only real protection from the actual psychopaths with nuclear weapons is to develop nuclear capabilities yourself. They tried diplomacy, that didn't work, the fact that you are blaming the party that actually stuck to the treaty says more about your psychopathy than anything else.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I believe this is referencing Netanyahu who has been warning Iran is only weeks away from developing nuclear weapons for over 30 years now. One has to wonder how credible these claims are at that point.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It was months away he was warning about, and that was Iran's strategy with uranium enrichment. Develop what was needed so that at any time they could give the order to build a nuke and within six month have a nuke.

It's like partially building a house and then pausing on the project when you're a few months away from completing it. You will always be a few months away from completing construction of the house until you make the decision to continue working on it.

Netanyahu sucks, Trump sucks, but the IRGC also sucks, and they had a uranium enrichment program while the uranium the imported from Russia was already enriched to the level needed for their one civilian nuclear power plant.

There's politics and then there's science. No civilian nuclear reactor needs enrichment about 5% and Iran has uranium enriched to 60%. Not enough to build a nuclear weapon (but definitely enough to build a dirty bomb) but also way more than needed for civilian uses. They've been at 60% for a decade, they could enrich it further and build a nuclear weapons in less a year if they chose to do that. So yes, they've been months away from building a nuke for about a decade. It's just science is difficult to explain, Netanyahu and Trump suck at explaining things (which is their job), and nobody wants to to listen to them because they suck, and people struggle to understand science even in the best of times.

Politics is more important in people's minds than science. W. Bush lied about Saddam's nuclear program, so there's a boy who cried wolf situation. Remember, at the end of the story there actually was a wolf, that wolf ate the boy and ate the sheep and the village was fucked.