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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look at this guy. Same logic would be used to say no Native American or Palestinian genocide either.

I am sorry, but I don't buy it for a second.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Same logic would be used to say no Native American or Palestinian genocide either.

I don't follow? We have way more evidence of both genocides, both of the actions, mass killings, child abductions etc., as well as propaganda campaigns to stoke hatred and fear. Neither group is very free to practice their religions and culture, facing harassment and red tape etc. I don't see the parallels at all.

I am sorry, but I don’t buy it for a second.

I'm not looking to convince, I'm just giving my POV as asked. These were the types of questions I saw the tankies be able to answer and that's what ultimately convinced me that the whole thing is just a US propaganda psy-op. Back in like 2019-2020 I was breathlessly reading "Der Spiegel" articles about systematic rape of uyghur women in prisons and bought into it wholesale. I got flipped, so to speak, in 2023 or so. So what I'm portraying here is what people that want to "flip" me back are up against.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No proof, a psyop, you believe tankies!? Oh my God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_Violent_Terrorism

Westerners deciding to crack down on Muslims equals bad but Chinese equals good. If you think there is logical consistency with tankies you got another thing coming.

Are you surprised the world is not making a bigger deal out of Muslim suppression? Not me, par for the course.

There is almost no proof of the Native American Genocide so I guess it must have never happened. Looks like the natives are doing just fine with their casinos!

So dumb it hurts.

And then you deny the rapes!? What in the literal fuck is wrong with you.

Oh you are just playing devil's advocate as a pretend tanky!?

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/allegations-of-shackled-students-and-gang-rape-inside-china-s-detention-camps

Sure no proof except countless stories. The thing is this is human nature. Be it detention or "reeducation" rape always goes hand in hand. It doesn't matter where in the world you are. This is the injustice of concentrating people.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you think there is logical consistency with tankies you got another thing coming.

See that's all I ever see from those looking to counter it, just outright smug dismissal and no actual argument. That's how they got me.

Are you surprised the world is not making a bigger deal out of Muslim suppression? Not me, par for the course.

I'm sorry have you seen the reaction in the muslim world to the palestinian genocide? The only one making a "big" deal out of this so-called genocide are the countries hostile to china. And even they stopped caring about it in the past couple years.

There is almost no proof of the Native American Genocide so I guess it must have never happened. Looks like the natives are doing just fine with their casinos!

Good lord what are you talking about?

smug self-righteous noises

This is how I know that you don't actually care to win other people over, or about the population of Xinjiang, you're just grandstanding, euphoric from your own intelligence. You declaring something stupid doesn't make it so. I found the "tankie" position far better researched on every topic. That's why I "joined" them. I made an account on hexbear, I post there regularly and I haven't seen geopolitical knowledge and analyses as in depth as they are there anywhere on the lib spaces. So I stayed, 3 years later and my position kept getting reaffirmed and reaffirmed by your kind.

A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” [...] This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China [...] it’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

from https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

more about the background of the atrocity propaganda from xinjiang https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/allegations-of-shackled-students-and-gang-rape-inside-china-s-detention-camps

let me tell you right now before you go through the trouble of digging up more sources that I don't consider anything that Adrian Zenz has touched to be credible. The guy believes he is on a mission from god to destroy communism.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

What am I talking about!? Denialism. I can show you pictures of Native Americans smiling and dancing. Can you please provide a sourced 2026 article with photographic evidence that proves that the Native Americans experienced genocide?

This is the bar tankies use and then if you do produce evidence they begin to discredit. They are not acting in good faith.

I don't care!? I am not the one using tanky talking points to dismiss human rights violation. So dumb it hurts.

Please extol tankies some more. It really shows your impartiality. I love the "your kind" as well. Openly admitting you a human rights violator apologist and a bigot is bold for sure.

Fact, China built concentration camps. Fact, China concentrated a specific population there. Fact, China violated human rights.

Please save me your tanky propaganda ramblings. You deny human experiences for your own benefit. You are a human rights abuser and apparently proud of it. This will be your tag here on Lemmy.