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The thing is china has a bunch of legit cool stuff about it but its never even the stuff that gets highlighted and instead these communities just infinitely recite the propaganda that is thought to them. Its one thing to like china(which is already a red flag cause you shouldnt like a huge imperialistic dictatorship) but another thing to mindlessly recite it.
China is awesome. Its people are awesome. Its philosophy/culture is great. Its government is doing some awesome things.
The notion that shame should be felt over that view is absurd.
That doesn’t mean they don’t have problems.
One can admire/envy/enjoy China and acknowledge they are an authoritarian state, have some worrying cultural issues, a strongman leader, a bloody history, censored discourse and so on.
These views aren’t mutually exclusive.
And as for the “western imperialist” rhetoric, that has precisely nothing to do with China’s problems. It’s irrelevant whataboutism.
And it’s especially ironic given most of it on Lemmy is spouted from users in western nations.
For reference: Lemmy.ml is banned in China.
a red flag
Nice
This is why I personally like to use the cool shit Yugoslavia did. Obscure by western standards and the only ones who get weird about it are Serbs.
I dunno it's pretty easy to think China has some really cool things but also acknowledge it's a terrible place
Genocide bad
What a brave take!
I can see your imminent ban in my crystal ball.
noo :<
Shitting on the CCP in any ML community will get you banned for "orientalism"
I specifically said the people of China are nice but the CCP can go fuck itself
I met couple of Chinese who acknowledge the party is tyrannical but they avoid delving deeper into politics. Despite having emigrated, it's a learned response I guess for many Chinese not to talk about politics.
I met couple of Chinese who acknowledge the party is tyrannical but they avoid delving deeper into politics.\
This is because it's illegal to criticize the CCP in China. You can get arrested for this.
We in the west talk a lot of crap about freedom of speech but don't realize how precious a thing it truly is.
Yep. Ate a 3 day ban recently from /c/memes for exactly that before I realized I was on lemmy.ml/c/memes.
A lot of CCP trolls would say that the Uyghur genocide isn't happening and that witness testimony is from a one woman or couple of people who defected to propagandise for the West. But there is a point made that there are too many complains from hundreds, if not thousands, of Uyghurs to dismiss the accusation of genocide as merely from a handful of individuals. Because most people would rather get on with their lives than waste time making accusations.
China seems to have positive and negative characteristics. For the non-rich it seems slightly better than the US and worse than (say) Norway. They’re still imperialist although they seem more inclined to use soft power and economic relationships rather than warfare.
Greetings from Hanoi. China kills Vietnamese and Philippine fisherman and other mariners each year using their paramilitary shadow fleet. China is also a big place and the difference between non-rich in a developed province and non-rich in the rural provinces is extreme. In the last decade, the size of the middle class in places like Shanghai has shrunk dramatically and was arguably never even on par with similar level workers in the USA.
I appreciate the perspective. I knew the Chinese government was not allied with Vietnam but I didn’t know about the killings. And your point about the difference between non-rich in rural areas vs urban areas is true in the US as well. In fact, there was a UN delegation that reported finding some of the most extreme poverty in the world in places like rural West Virginia.
Capitalists need number go up no matter the borders.
The point is not that you need to unquestioningly think that China is the most evil country on earth. The point is that there absolutely are a notable subset of leftists (just wander over to .ml if you want to find them) who will dismiss literally any criticism of China as "Western propaganda" and basically act like they're absolute paragons of good. Those are the people being called out here.
Nah man China is like a utopia or something.
you ain't lived till you been to the democratic people's republic of north korea
Yeah man they keep voting for the same guy every single time, like everyone. He must be a great leader.
CCP bootlickers run Lemmy like reddit? Damn thats a bummer
No, it's a federated platform. No single person or organization "runs" the whole thing.
