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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the fuck does death to America even mean? You're super pissed at me because of a bunch of shit you made up about me and I'm not engaging anymore unless you calm down and explain what that even means first.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It means death to the American experiment. It's a failure. Fucking read what your country has done since WWII. You are the bad guys.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What does that mean? Killing civilians? Since it sounds like you're advocating for murder but are too chicken shit to admit it. So you say all this other shit because it means you don't have to explain the murders you believe should be committed.

Good strategy /s

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

IT MEANS SANCTIONING YOUR COUNTRY OUT OF EXISTENCE, HOPEFULLY BALKANIZATION.

Which part of that condones murder of civilians. Are you unable to read, or are you pretending not to have registered this very salient point that I've already made?

I'm chicken shit for calling for the downfall of the global hegemony, but you're brave for defending the murder of countless civilians. What a cool mindset you have.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only you had said any of that before I 100% lost interest in speaking to you again

[–] doben@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Not trying to offend, take it as a perspective from outside.

You have a nationalist mindset and are identifying so much with it your nation state, that you‘re automatically equating it with the people living there (mostly themselves oppressed mind you) and jump straight to projection of what would happen, because it‘s exactly what your nation state has done throughout its history, your logical conclusion — war, destruction, mass murder.

Nobody said that, nobody meant that, nobody wants that, but you got triggered, because your first instinct is to be a proud American. You think that about sums it up?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I think what sums all these kinds of threads up is "nuh uh, what you said doesn't matter as much as what I said."

You, like the other guy, have no idea what I meant or am thinking, but you're acting as though you can read my mind perfectly. What I said has NOTHING to do with nationalism. And I don't really feel like explaining myself to people who already incorrectly decided what I'm thinking.

edit: also, I am most certainly not proud to be american. You pulled that out of your ass because it certainly has fuck-all to do with what I wrote.

[–] doben@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Of course, I pulled all of that out of my ass. Just trying to give you my honest understanding of your state of mind, based on the exchanges on this post.

You basically said "I don't wanna hear it", after they tried to overcome your very idea, that they must have meant to kill the people of the USA. An idea so wild, that it only can be manifested through completely equating the citizens of a nation state with the nation state itself.

Being nationalist is a default state of mind in this world of nation states, it's what states do, they nurture a national identity within their citizens. Saying you are nationalist is not necessarily an attack, but mostly a description. People tend to take it as an attack, because they have a vague idea, that identifying with their state a bit too much is a bad thing.

So you reject the idea, yet you act on it.
You can't stand the idea of someone wishing for your nation state to vanish. Because you identify with it.

So you make up vibes-based arguments like
"this guy is an accelerationist" - judged based on what now?;
"they want to kill all citizens" - which is a thought only in your head; and
"people outside of the USA will get hurt, if it suddenly seizes to exist" - nobody said that, that's unrealistic. But we could discuss the topic. Empires do end, people get hurt, sure. But people around the world get hurt every fucking day because of its sole existence and it's not getting any better, so it's a moot argument, if you don't actually qualify your take. You don't, tho, because it's just a vibe. It's not based on logic or knowledge, you just don't like the idea.

All you do is complain based on opposition to what you feel. And from outside, you seem to not like the idea of America going down the drain … it seems like you can't even conceptualize the idea or have a realistic understanding of what the US actually is in the world order, so it's hard to even discuss it with you.

You don't need to agree with me, it's just an interpretation of my perception of your engagement. I'm also not going for a back-and-forth now. Take it or leave it.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Amerikkka" as an entity ceases to exist, it's government vacated, the area that was formerly "USA" divided into however many independent states. This can happen without any violence, though that's probably not likely. Everyday that the US exists people are murdered by American troops. To end the US would save countless lives. Fuck Amerikkka, Death to Amerikkka, I say this as a buddhist who abhors killing.