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The Declaration of Independence announced not just freedom from Britain, but freedom to advance further upon Native land and continue to kill and otherwise remove its longtime inhabitants.

The founding of the country, and its Declaration of Independence, cannot then be separated from the 96% decrease in the Native American population, from 5 million people in 1492 to 237,000 in 1900. Nor can its conceptions of liberty and rights be separated from the freedoms stolen from Native Americans, first in their right to their lives and their land, and later in their right to their culture and religion.

In 1887, the US government divided tribal land into privately owned plots and auctioned off the remaining land to non-Indigenous US citizens, which resulted in the seizure of more than 90 million acres of Native American land.

The US government forcibly abducted Native American children and sent them to boarding schools hundreds of miles away, where they were starved and beaten when they spoke their Native languages. From the 1940s through the late 1960s, the US government enacted Indian termination policies that were intended to force Native Americans to assimilate into US society.

And yet Native Americans were largely absent from US corporate media opinion pieces about America’s semiquincentennial.

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[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does it matter? You're not trying to slyly pin these murders on Native Americans and Indigenous people, are you? Just make your point and don't be chickenshit.

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Why don't you show, not tell.

Easy answer: find those responsible (whoever they are) and punish them justly.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Soo... Your answer for the Native American women being murdered is just to sit by and wait for a justice system that is emphatic about refusing to investigate these crimes? You're essentially telling these people to have complete faith in a system that has shown great interest in letting them die.

https://northernkentuckylawreview.com/blog/the-legal-loophole-affecting-native-nationsnbsp

There are approximately 326 federal Indian reservations located in the United States. [i] The violence on these reservations is estimated to be up to ten times higher than national averages. [ii] Specifically, the violence against women and children is astounding. A study completed by the National Institute of Justice found eighty-four percent of native women have experienced some type of violence within their lifetime, with fifty-six percent having suffered sexual violence. [iii] Nevertheless, the prosecution statistics for these crimes do not even begin to measure up.

Confusion in jurisdiction, lack of funds, and overall disinterest in the pursuit of the crimes and seeking justice for native victims produced an epidemic of violence on reservations. [viii] In Oklahoma v. Castro-Huerta, the United States Supreme Court concluded that the federal government and the state in which a crime is committed have concurrent jurisdiction to prosecute crimes committed by non-Indians against Indians on Indian land. [ix] The state and federal departments tasked with prosecuting these crimes are funded by tax dollars, which Indians do not pay. [x]

A landmark case in this discussion is Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe, because the U.S. Supreme Court held that non-Indians, even if residents of a reservation, could not be prosecuted by tribal courts for criminal conduct. [xi] Essentially, tribal councils only maintain jurisdiction over Indians whom commit a crime on reservation land. [xii] This allows for non-Indians to commit crimes on reservations with little fear of repercussions. [xiii]

Non-Indians have exploited this legal loophole because they are aware of the unlikelihood of prosecution by the federal government. In 2011, only one year after the Tribal Law and Order Act was signed into law, the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University recovered data that revealed federal prosecutors declined to file charges in fifty-two percent of cases involving serious crimes on Native American reservations. [xiv]

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How did you get this

Your answer for the Native American women being murdered is just to sit by and wait for a justice system that is emphatic about refusing to investigate these crimes?

out of this

find those responsible (whoever they are) and punish them justly

?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who do you expect to be the ones investigating? Who do you expect to be the ones doling out punishment?

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not to impose but I wouldn't bother continuing to try and reason with this person. They're clearly more interested in pushing an a priori argument riddled with presumptions and bias instead of actually acting in good faith.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Wise words. Thanks.

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am curious what you think my argument is, because I actually have none, I am just questioning assumptions/presumptions xD

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone impartial. Perhaps a team comprised of natives and non-natives together. Who doles out the punishment should be irrevelant, the perpetrators should be punished in full accordance with law, unbiased.