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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

In USA I think it's all the religious stuff deifying the founding enslavers. Let's be honest these people were genocidal enslavers, rapists, etc. The "revolutionary war" was largely so that they could maintain slavery and their disgusting privilege. These people are idiotic fash, not the geniuses they're portrayed as. They were fighting for evil.

This understanding of the history of USA almost completely explains most of its history.

[–] CanadaPlus 6 points 6 hours ago

The “revolutionary war” was largely so that they could maintain slavery

The civil war obviously was. The revolutionary war was back when the British were still pretty heavily involved in slavery, though. Is there evidence this was a specific driving factor?

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Fighting for evil? I know one example is not enough, and ignores completely the plight of native americans from the founders. But to say they were fighting for evil I would say is a mischaracterization.

Treaty of Tripoli

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

How could someone evil write something this cool?

[–] CanadaPlus 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Most likely, everyone dead by 1950 was a total bastard, if you measure them by modern standards. If you go all the way back to the 1700's, that's could include tolerating or participating in slavery, and of course colonial atrocities.

The American founding fathers were radical progressives for their day, though.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I also can't say that for certain; John Brown, comes to mind.

The best president is probably FDR, who was also dead by 1945.

Edit: Because it's kind of funny for me, I'm leaving the John brown part, but you definitely meant people in power.

There are plenty of bright spots if you look.