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It's not simply a bad political decision to give up territory it's illogical as well.
The fact that Russia is even engaging in a war with Ukraine indicates that they are duplicitous since they agreed not to attack Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.
Any deal with Russia will be violated as soon as it suits Russia to violate it. Giving up a territory for peace simply gives Russia the opportunity to rebuild their forces, as soon as those forces are rebuilt they will violate the peace treaty. Again.
Russia argues that there was a regime change in 2014 which released them from that agreement.
Russia says a lot of things
Shocking new informartion shows that russia had their fingers crossed behind their backs at the time the deal was made.
Their argument is that they didn't break the agreement.
That's not how agreements work. If it was, they would be pointless.
What about the majority of Ukranians that voted for the gov that got overthrown in 2014? Their voices and opinions don't count?
Opinions change, afterall those same people voted at least partly for Zelenskyi
Minsk II, they are pointless. People even question US and French Nato commitment.
But hypothetically speaking, why should Russia be bound to the agreement if the West actually did a regime change?
Yeah, in 2014 Ukrainians just got rid of pro-Russian government in Ukraine what, of course, violated the agreement of peace since Russia cannot claim Ukraine peacefully anymore. This is actually "totally" logical.
You dropped a /s
Just for you to know: not every person knows/uses slang/abbreviations, so that if you want other people to understand you, use standard English, please.
Either use /s or make your sarcasm clearer.
Ahh, okay. Thanks. Will know from now the meaning of /s.
Just with these kind of topics you have to be careful. Your edit makes things even clearer.
Yeah, I figured that out. I am trying to be careful with what I am saying to avoid being checkmated on wrong facts and sometimes forget to analyze how different people may interpret my comments.
We call the Russian influence on the West hybrid war, wouldn't the Western influence in Ukraine be the same?
Same, same, but different. I agree that both these cases can be classified as influence, but, at least as I know, the influence of the West has no intention to occupy Ukraine or turn it into puppet state. The West mostly needs resources, democratic alignment and overall stability, while it has no interest in wiping out the national identity of Ukrainians and abuse them, unlike Russia. So, between 2 evils it would be better to choose the lesser one.
Britain got out of the EU for this reason.
What about the posts about Amazon working conditions and US healthcare? At least Germany is approaching US conditions.
How policies of this company are related here? I agree that Amazon abuses their workers, but the workers have a freedom to leave this job. Government doesn't force them to work there, it only participates in the creating of conditions that may force people to work there. While, as I understand, Russia is going to oppress Ukraininas on a level of government in case of successful conquering of territories. And I haven't even mentioned the overall hate of ordinary Russians to Ukrainians.
So, as for Ukrainians, having the West model of economy versus government and social oppression from the East is not a hard choice to pick up.
What do you expect?
Emm... Can you specify the question, please?
In which way is Russia going to oppress Ukrainians? How will it compare to their treatment of other minorities?
I am not sure if this question is serious or if you are just trolling me, but whatever. I will answer.
Russians think of Ukrainians as their property already and are OK with killing and robbing them. So if the Russia conquers Ukraine we can have something like Red Terror again to teach Ukrainians a lesson. Then, it will be sanctions against language, culture, etc. And economical disadvantages like gathering resources and work force from Ukraine to compensate the losses in Russia leaving Ukrainians in poverty. Especially, because of Ukraine hasn't surrendered peacefully, what made a lot of shame for Russia thus giving more hate towards Ukraine.
Maybe I am exaggerating, but I am not expecting something good from people who think that they can on random occasions come and get other's lands even in relatively peaceful ways. And then simply start killing them once they refuse to comply. I do not believe in the possibility of that Russians have changed a bit, especially if we recall a lot of negative actions towards Ukraine and its ancestors in past from the side of Russia and its ancestors that were done in similar conditions compared to nowadays.
Note: I cannot predict what exactly may happen but definitely nothing good, especially if we simply extrapolate history and analyze current and past situations.
Thanks.