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Luigi Mangione hearing tests legality of evidence in healthcare CEO murder case
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Remind me again on what illegal method(s) were suspected to be used?
I think GP is alleging that the feds used NSA spy shit to locate Mr. Mangione at the Pennsylvania McDonalds through his burner phone.
But... It is a violation of federal law to spy on an American like that. So the feds have not admitted to that. Instead, they manufactured an anonymous tip, based on legally obtained surveillance video from New York, in order to have a legal reasonable suspicion to question Mr. Mangione.
And then the local cops who responded fucked it up anyway by blocking his path of retreat, which is a functional arrest, and then not Mirandizing. And they also searched the backpack before they had any probable cause to do so, and after they had removed it safely away from Mr. Mangione. Without PC, the cops may search the backpack or Mangione for weapons only (the infamous stop and frisk), but they cannot search the backpack insides if they have removed it away from Mangione. The backpack is no longer a threat at that point
IANAL but AFAIK without PC, they can only pat down his person (for officer safety) similar to what TSA does at the airport, but not reach into his pockets or backpack as that's considered a search. It's a subtle but important difference.
NYC is covered with cell snoopers....
Very very accurate snoopers, if he had a cell phone they'd have done that quickly without a warrant. And once they had his number from that, they could track him anywhere.
It's also one of the highest camera densities in the world, if there wasn't a phone then they likely tapped into every camera and ran facial recognition, again without a warrant.
But that's just the stuff we know about. A CEO was shot on the street, that's too close for the oligarchs so I wouldn't be surprised if they got the government to use the top secret shit that's supposed to just be for terrorists. Stuff we couldn't even think of, but might hear about a decade from now once it's no longer state of the art.