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Luigi Mangione hearing tests legality of evidence in healthcare CEO murder case
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This is the crux of the issue.
Ever since the start I've been saying he was a suspect and they were tracking him based off of illegally obtained evidence. The whole tip was BS. Some random person (most likely cop or fed) told a fast food worker there was a reward and to call it in, then just left.
They needed an excuse to say they found a suspect, because they found him illegally. It's actually standard procedure called "parallel investigation".
But even if the call holds up, they fucked up all the evidence gathering.
I really think he'll get off on a technicality and trump will try to jail him anyways keep the wealthy happy
The usual jargon is "parallel construction," in case somebody wants to look it up.
The way I see this going is
Mangione wins his initial case on the issues you highlight.
Theres a big legal slapfight.
Ends up in front of the supreme court.
Trump makes a public statement about how dangerous people like Mangione need to be found guilty and executed.
Shortly after the statement, the Supreme Court abruptly declares Mangione guilty.
Trump holds a public execution within a month. Possibly profiting off it by selling tickets to his billionaire backers.
SCOTUS doesn't (normally) rule on guilt, they rule on the legal questions raised in the appeal, and send cases back down to be finished.
Doing a lot of heavy lifting there
cause SCOTUS has been so normal the past 10 months, amirite
also i think he missed the whole "Trump publicly says he needs to be guilty, and SCOTUS immediately declares guilty" aspect
Can the Supreme Court overrule a jury? Doesn't he have a right to a jury trial? Can Mangione be convicted if no jury is willing to do it?
Not that constitutional rights have ever stopped Trump.
If theres no one willing to follow the law, then nothing can be held accountable.
as you see with the trump admin. Does whatever it wants, with almost impunity, because they have corrupted the entire system to get rid of all checks and balances.
Trump got dementia he isn't going be able to say shit. But wish he would he tank the GOP for life. Lugi is popular even with Maga.
Remind me again on what illegal method(s) were suspected to be used?
I think GP is alleging that the feds used NSA spy shit to locate Mr. Mangione at the Pennsylvania McDonalds through his burner phone.
But... It is a violation of federal law to spy on an American like that. So the feds have not admitted to that. Instead, they manufactured an anonymous tip, based on legally obtained surveillance video from New York, in order to have a legal reasonable suspicion to question Mr. Mangione.
And then the local cops who responded fucked it up anyway by blocking his path of retreat, which is a functional arrest, and then not Mirandizing. And they also searched the backpack before they had any probable cause to do so, and after they had removed it safely away from Mr. Mangione. Without PC, the cops may search the backpack or Mangione for weapons only (the infamous stop and frisk), but they cannot search the backpack insides if they have removed it away from Mangione. The backpack is no longer a threat at that point
IANAL but AFAIK without PC, they can only pat down his person (for officer safety) similar to what TSA does at the airport, but not reach into his pockets or backpack as that's considered a search. It's a subtle but important difference.
NYC is covered with cell snoopers....
Very very accurate snoopers, if he had a cell phone they'd have done that quickly without a warrant. And once they had his number from that, they could track him anywhere.
It's also one of the highest camera densities in the world, if there wasn't a phone then they likely tapped into every camera and ran facial recognition, again without a warrant.
But that's just the stuff we know about. A CEO was shot on the street, that's too close for the oligarchs so I wouldn't be surprised if they got the government to use the top secret shit that's supposed to just be for terrorists. Stuff we couldn't even think of, but might hear about a decade from now once it's no longer state of the art.
Jail? The orange turd has been pushing for execution since day 1 of the case.
It's some "eye in the sky" tech the government doesn't want us to know they have yet. This is based purely on vibes.