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i do vaguely feel it's a good idea tbh (like aside from not being able to commiserate if you are in the middle of nowhere and a minority)
I feel like it's the usual punative, Buck-passing, nonsense.
The law is so broad as to be difficult to comply with as a small operator of good things, like forums, while allowing and excusing further surveillance and being easy for large operators to comply with.
It doesn't regulate the corrosive harms of addictive features, dark patterns, and algorithmic content. Nor does it force companies to consider user welfare.
It is not coupled with any initiative to actually support children socialising and most of the spaces and games children would use or play are gone, illegal, or highly inadvisable without supervision which can no longer be provided in an atomised community with dual income, two generation home, norms.
It will push kids to unregulated spaces, expand surveillance, and leave the corrosive harms of social media present.
Yeah compare this to what China does. If Douyin detects you're a child, it redirects you to child-friendly education algorithms mandated by the Chinese government. It's not a blanket ban, they forced the social media firms to actually change their algorithms.
Exactly! Just look at how many leaks have come out of the big tech firms identifying their own complicity in harming vulnerable users, where they made the explicit corporate decision to bury the reports / terminate the inquiries / continue business as usual, because it would reduce shareholder value to do otherwise.
If we had anything left of the regulatory state we could change the financial pressures and incentives on these companies to make effective self regulation the most profitable route, but instead we get nu-panopticon 3.0.
I would honestly be more in favour of an actual blanket ban on foreign tech companies. At least then we would all be free and could start building something new, while forums and local initiatives run by people you can actually force to like protect kids from pro ED content or whatever BS.
It's pretty clear a lot of social media is shit, but this law sucks.
I feel like the government no longer knows how to be a government. All they do is ban things or tweak tax incentives. We don't build anything, run any public initiatives, or fund any culture.
I largely agree, but:
Facebook, X and to a certain extent R*ddit are already unregulated spaces. My friend's younger sister fell down a zionist rabbit hole because she's queer and lib queer spaces bought her into the whole "Israel is the only safe space for LGBT in the middle east" and "Muslims want to murder queer people" rhetoric that the algorithm gave her. Like if she wasn't deprogrammed fairly early on, she'd probably end up like Eve Fartlow.
I love her to death, but her showing me a video she saw on FB or whatever about whatever National Endowment for Democracy funded video about Xinjiang (as the only Chinese person she knows personally) and asking me if I've seen it was very heartbreaking.
It's the devil you know (Zuckerberg, Musk, u/spez) vs the devil you don't.
Facebook etc are inadequately regulated but they are still regulated and regulatable.
Some random chat program registered in Mozambique by a resident of Belarus at the behest of an investor in Syracuse is a whole different sort of beast.
CW: very racist rhetoric
This is from yesterday, popped up on my feed, a post by my friend's brother. Inadequately regulated is putting it lightly. I reported it over 24 hours ago and yet it persists. Not pictured: half a dozen posts re: climate change. Spoilers: he believes climate change is real, but it's the brown people's fault for emissions as if the global north doesn't subcontract their manufacturing to the global south.
I did say "the devil you know vs the devil you don't". The random chat program registered in Mozambique by a resident of Belarus at the behest of an investor in Syracuse may be worse, but allowing impressionable children to be bombarded by the above isn't any better.
Idk, hopefully the kids find a Hexbear instead of finding a Stormfront. I might be unusually optimistic about the whole thing, but leaving reddit, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube might not be an entirely bad situation.
May the trans kids find a better online space than reddit and discord. May the insecure kids find a better online space than instagram and youtube. They deserve a space but the poisoned well of American for-profit social media conglomerates shouldn't be it.
They deleted cities and parks in oz-land? you can just walk and talk, like normal person, what special place you envision? Places being dodgy or unsafe never stopped kids fucking around in them. Guess we'll have to wait and see if desire to socialize outweighs laziness to vpn-ize.
I dunno if you've seen the new developments in like western sydney as an example but there are:
Idk what people imagine kids doing when even going to see a film costs 40 bucks a head assuming you can even get there or have parents willing to let you off the leash.
well, just look at the next few panics: riding e-bikes and having fun with knives apparently
all because a subhuman property developer decided parks and PT eat into profits
The kids are alright
Cops have no-cause stop search and seize powers in the Melbourne CBD for six months (and it'll get kicked on after that) including asking people with masks to leave the proscribed area. It 100% will be rolled out at other locations across the state to cover other shopping and recreational areas
Most children don't have credit cards they can use to pay for a VPN subscription.
if one doesn't care about speed, one can just use normie free proton or myriads ad-loaded ones
Mullvad lets you pay in cash in certain currencies (looks like AUD is a supported currency too) https://mullvad.net/en/pricing
That's a shitload of money for someone who's too young to legally work having to buy a VPN in secrecy from their parents.
Its a terrible idea. Its censorious and just means children will br using websites that don't follow the law. It also passes the blame for the damage social media does from those responsible and on to children.
Mark Zuckerberg should be in prison, children should get to go on the computer.
The end goal is to shut down all those unofficial websites too. And with the proliferation of "AI" technologies (text and image recognition of say copywrited material, or even just ordinary images to track websites), it's more feasible than in the past. 10 years ago only the NSA could do something like that. Now, any old conglomerate or corporation can do this with "AI" tools operated cheaply by outsourced labour. The end goal is to turn the internet into a walled garden where "everything" is on a few websites or applications. It's a very bleak view of the future in terms of internet freedom.
Presumably because you've accepted the premise that this change is about protecting children and that it is a good solution to achieve that.
This whole (global) effort has been designed to make you feel like it's a good idea. It's not even a good solution to the problem, let alone addressing a problem that necessarily needs solving at all.
socialization mediated by text and/or screen and/or voice is not the same as real stuff, that i firmly believe (i get the irony, posting this on a social media). Now whether people can find resources as static content/rss feeds/news articles to lighten burden of being bullied for being unusual/oppressed via irl meetings is a separate and important matter.
it's atomizing corrosive structure overlaid on humanity sprinkled with spying and advertising, children (and adults) also shouldn't see advertising or be spied on, at all.
i don't care that it involves children, i care it involves social media.
Then advocate for a ban (or effective regulation) on social media! Instead you're tacitly consenting to (and normalising) a massive increase in domestic and commercial surveillance infrastructure just so those shit websites continue to have access to fuck up the majority of the population.
Do you think adults just magically teleport past identity verification?
Kids can just not go on those sites moving forward but adults will continue to use them and have their identities on every platform they use indexed at a handful of commercial identity verification services. The government will also have easy access to those databases. In return the rest of us get: ?????????
if you think there is a noticeable increase in surveillance from this, you are not pilled enough on advertising fencing/wifi/bl/cell tower logging, at most this is an extra tool for the toolbox. if adult people think logging to youtube is worth using their real picture to 3rd party kyc provider, they aren't exactly surveillance conscious now are they.
Surveillance happens inside the app, not from internet routing, your isp and main provider (unless nsa is involved) at most can connect time of activity of account to your sessions/send packets and they have to bother to do it, social media knows this in plain metadata and more than willing to supply it.
i do think requiring hardlock on sold phones in a country for kiddie (with white listed internet or time restricted internet aside from like messaging) and non-kiddie mode is more elegant solution than dipshittery with verification cans