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Really? I'm not wholly opposed to ai art but, yknow, that's just basic common sense to label ai generated things as ai generated. I mean, China even requires it on their social media [https://cadeproject.org/updates/china-enforces-new-ai-content-identification-rules-starting-today/].
Plus, if you want people to use ai for things like this, it'd be nice to know what model you used. You're just being disrespectful for the sake of being disrespectful.
They've been very quick to discuss the methods and tools when people ask. They have multiple replies doing so in this thread.
This isn't an image or video claiming to be real, it's illustrated. We aren't being led to believe that's actually Lenin lol, what would a disclaimer even accomplish?
2.Common courtesy. A simple "this art was generated using x program" in the post would have prevented this exchange we're having now. And isn't he expending the same, if not more, "brain power" replying to these comments as he would have if he had simply put it in the description of the post?
Should we ask people to differentiate between analog and digital art? Should we ask people to post a disclaimer that they used machine-produced paint instead of harvesting it themself or buying it from an artisan?
Are slop consumers entitled to a creation tutorial under every meme? Or can they just politely ask for information and have a conversation?
OC as a disclaimer exists to differentiate self promotion on consumerist platforms. It doesn't matter here, we don't care about the intellectual property of memes or links.
disregarding everything else already discussed in the thread, not having an AI tag would be a weird and impractical line to draw, it is something that's being increasingly pushed forward for in most social media apps, i for one wouldn't want to engage with anything tainted by AI, and with how heated this thread is, I don't see how its not controversial, it would be a simple thing to implement and would help not alienate people.
You think people on the grad should be slop consumers?
If they so decide they absolutely should, yes. That said, why does ai generate so much reactionary potential in those who usually are the most progressive of society? Its really beyond me that nobody seems to stop and look at theory for reconciliation of a longstanding issue.
Because the material (set of relations rather than stresses) is always before the idea. DM is a superpower!
And who decides that exactly? The poster? Or grad members?
I mean this is why we have voting on the server and allow discussion. It's pretty clear from this thread what the majority view on grad is.
Seems like the opinion is pretty heavily split, that’s nowhere near a “majority opinion” despite what you might tell yourself.
There's literally you and two other people restating the same reactionary points while the rest of the server is trying to educate you.
A loud contingent isn’t “the majority”, you literally highlighted voting, not replies. There’s also a whole lot more than 2 people if you’re not going to be facetious.
Maybe people just don’t enjoy getting dogpiled by the AI-bro division? Wonder if that might play a part in anything.
It’s not reactionary to be hostile towards a fascist slop machine.
It's absolutely reactionary to use Nietzschean talking points about art being reserved for some high minded artisans and being kept away from the hoi polloi that you've been called out on in this very thread. The reality is that none of you managed to make anything that even resembles a materialist analysis, and you're utterly unable to engage with people explaining to you the glaring problems in your argument. You just lash out as you're doing here.
Calling LLMs a fascist slop machine is the very height of reaction.
Lmaooo, discussion with you is impossible, because why bother engaging when you can just lie about what the other person said, right?
Where did I say that art is reserved for some high artisan class? It’s reserved for the masses, for everyone, that’s the entire point behind everyone being able to do it. A fascist slop machine is not art creation, it is relegating ones ability to connect with their fellow worker to a machine built by fascists and capitalists that seeks to establish a totemic cultural hegemony.
Imagine worshiping a capitalist machine.
Oh the entire point is that everyone is able to do it, but you get to be the arbiter of how it's done and what constitutes as art. Evidently you don't even think about what you write here. And you're not even being original here. Here's another story about a 'slop machine' that's completely indistinguishable from your arguments https://daily.jstor.org/when-photography-was-not-art
Also, weird how this notion of LLMs being a machine built by fascists and capitalists that seeks to establish a totemic cultural hegemony is only present in western reactionary circles. We can just look at how people living in a socialist society feel about the whole thing. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/11/19/trust-in-ai-far-higher-in-china-than-west-poll-shows
Turns out China is just choke full of fascists!
Not the photography argument 😭 lmaooooo
Also that says trust in AI, not love of GenAI. AI is going to be very useful in making medical discoveries, helping calculate large datasets, and easing communication breakdown in planned economies, and so on. Not when it comes to making slop “””art”””
I trust AI will be a useful technology; but even in a socialist economy GenAI is still garbage with negative societal worth
Yes, the photography argument that clearly lays out the absurdity of the whole thing. The moral panic you're pursuing is not new, and if you actually bothered to engage in dialectical thinking you'd be able to apply the lessons from photography to the current moment.
Oh right, AI is going to be useful in all these many areas, just not the one you arbitrarily singled out for no discernible reason. This is precisely the point that many people here have already pointed out to you. What you're doing is claiming that art is some magical feature that is a product of the human soul that cannot be replicated be material means. It's idealism at its finest.
If you have a problem with the idea that you might have to have a conversation with the human that posted something in order to get arbitrary details, then I'm afraid you might be a slop consumer.
I'm not asking for a creation tutorial under every meme. I'm literally just asking for the model/service as a basic thing you should put on there so people dont have to ask and the author doesnt have to answer, unless they want more in depth explanations, like you would with normal art. If you want me to treat ai art like any other art, then let me treat it with the same rules that I treat any other art with.
Also oc notices aren't just for promotion. It's a very basic question to ask "who made this." So you can, yknow, see if they make/have made more and can enjoy more. In order to, yknow, see if they will make or have made more. So, just putting the author/oc answers that question without it being asked.
Youre just purposefully obfuscating and flanderizing the point quam absurdum, and I don't feel like any more conversation on this topic is going to be productive.
Or you could just have a conversation with the human being who posted something if you have questions lol.
"This is cool! Did you make this?"
Friendly conversation ensues
Or would that interrupt scrolling?
I mean this argument stops working the second the post is made by [deleted] or made 3 1/2 years ago by someone who doesn't want to reply to such an old post. Reddit archives posts after a while and you can't comment on them either.
I believe in AI art, but it does need to be labelled as such to reduce confusion.
Art pages and subreddits also require you to state if it is digital/analog too and the community also wants that to be the case.
But this isn't an art page nor is the post trying to be art, it's agitprop. OP isn't trying to showcase their talents. There's no trickery or deception.
Requiring a disclaimer might make sense if that were the case, or if the post was difficult to distinguish from reality.
Ah. It just sounded like you are against it in general.
We agree i think
This is a false comparison. With digital art there is still human creativity. The only thing resembling human creativity going into AI art is the prompt
Did this image create itself, or did a human have a concept and bring that concept to fruition? "AI" can't think. It doesn't know who Lenin is or why this poem is meaningful. That was a human thought.
If by "creativity" you just mean mechanical skill, then sure. If OP decided it was personally meaningful to spend a few hundred hours honing the skill to draw in this style and then a few hours manually drawing this meme, then that's cool. If you want to bake a loaf of bread from scratch, that's cool. It'll even taste better than store bought! But as cool as hobbies like that may be, they aren't leftist praxis.
It's a weird feeling to see a value form get transformed by technology, I understand. But griping about it is unmaterialist.
~~Bullshit~~
Edit: Okay maybe I just got angry. Do you want to know why? Its because the liberal establishment puts creativity on a pedestal. It says that those with lesser creativity are lesser humans.
Observe how radlibs claim that reactionaries are all uncreative. Or how westerners claim that easterners are all uncreative. What they actually want to do is dehumanize. Creativity, to them, is just another word for whiteness.
I think I have low creativity, but that's not something that makes me less human.
I came here to escape the r/defendingaiart NOT r/antiai!!! Even tho i dont like antiai that much BUT I HATE AI
You will worship the capitalist slop bot and you will like it
I just don't find that treating AI generated content as a special category is terribly useful. The case you point with China is around making sure people aren't mislead into thinking something is real when it's AI generated. Here I completely agree with labeling something that was rendered as opposed to real. And it doesn't matter whether it was rendered by a model or in Blender or some other tool. If somebody asked what technique was used to make the image then that's completely different discussion I would happily engage with.
Also, most of the time I'm likely going to be sharing a meme I found somewhere, and I'm certainly not going to waste time scrutinizing it to see whether it was AI made or not.