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Russia has got nothing to do with it. It's all on the people of USA. No one else
It's becoming clear there is only one oligarch ruling party in the US, so they're looking for something new to blame since they can just pass the ball from red to blue anymore.
it's simpler than that. the oligarch class here and the oligarch class in russia are friends. the inner party, or oligarchs, in china are friends, too. we all live in one imperial top down system that's designed to look like it's opposed to itself
(good point but I think you said "russia" twice by accident in first sentence.)
whoops!
Russia and China are less corrupt than west because they control oligarchy. Yeltsin was our CIA puppet that gave away Russia to their oligarchs with western financing/profit flows. Putin has reformed corruption, which is why our demonic filth opposes him. China also does not need oligarch support to maintain rule, and in fact spreads prosperity more pluralistically than west does.
Our corrupt propaganda against Russia needed treason by oligarchs to beg Putin to destroy Russia so they can get their yachts back. We can only project corruption on entire world, and it is the dumb plebs that believe in the strategy.
It has something to do with it inasmuch as it's in their best interests for the US to destroy itself and they do whatever they can to help it along.
Sure. But the way you counteract oh-so-scary foreign influence is by having institutions and leaders behave in a way that builds public trust.
Just pointing at some nation on the other side of the planet and saying, "They're trying to trick you!" does jack shit. It's misplaced priorities at best and rabid jingoism at worst.
Yeah "pointing fingers and making things up", huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
Putrid disinfo shill
Is this comment an example of misplaced priorities or rabid jingoism?
Vote now on your phones!
I never said "making things up", that's all you baby"Wikipedia is evil for saying bad things about Ruzzia!!!! "
Yeah about the level of rhetoric I expected from you
This is why you never win any of the wars you start. Oh, sorry, "special military operation".
Operation MEATGRINDER ruahahahahah
...what are you reading? It's clearly not what I've written.
Because you're pathetically avoiding discussing Russian disinfo, and instead just pretend any implication that any exist is "rampant jingoism" or some other ridiculous bullshit.
Honestly if you were a bit smarter maybe one Finn (or modernly Ukrainian actually) wouldn't be equivalent to 10 Russians. As it stands, we and they very much are.
I'm not avoiding it, I just think 10 years of Russian disinformation is a grain of sand compared to one week of Rupert Murdoch's private news monstrosity. Sorry, mate, the fascist call is coming from within the anglophonic world.
But hey, thanks for being such a good example of rabid jingoism!
That's a very unrealistic portrayal.
Like saying "I don't think one white lie make a politician a liar" about Trump who's verifiably spitting out like half lies.
Let's see some of the shit Russia has pulled in the Russo-Ukrainian war alone in the past few years;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)
That's the starting chapter.
"Rabid jingoism."
You simply can't help but to project your emotions. You're kinda ashamed of what your being made to do. You really wish you could've been born in the West! (as you call it) sad horn sounds womp womp wooomp
Please learn to actually use English before attempting to use with your shitty propaganda. Where @davel@lemmy.ml. Dude is a mod who went on a personal rage trip against me and is now afraid to post on anywhere he isn't a mod for being afraid of me.
I kinda miss him. We was a gentleman at least. Despite one pretending to be American and thick as a boot. (as all you vinkkelitossus are, you just don't have anyone to compare so you can't see it yourself lol)
You're grossly underplaying the influence foreign governments have had on each other within the past century. They're going above and beyond "trying to trick you."
They're heavily investing in popular talking heads to support a path of radicalization, buying ads that target voters on Facebook, forming special interest social media groups, manipulating social media with bot farms, heavily bribing politicians, blackmailing the powerful, recruiting millionaires, lobbying policy, running a counterintelligence campaign, running hacking operations, and more that we don't even know. They're weaponizing intelligence and trying to convert people's opinions to their advantage so that their opponents crumble from within. And they're damn good at it.
Nobody's "just pointing" at Russia or other countries. We have a recorded history of them doing it, and we can trace it back to them. They're all doing it.
OK great. Amend your comment to mine. The last point still stands:
You counteract forgiven influence by giving people a reason to trust their local institutions. By delivering positive material change to hundreds of millions. Without that, it is just pointing fingers and complaining.
yeah like why do people keep saying it's Russia like chill