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I'm a casual gamer so perhaps this has been made hundreds of times and I just ignore it.

So let's say you play your game, things don't go well so you go back and reload a save. Now, with your current knowledge you can get things right and that's usually how it goes with games.

Is there any game that takes this into the plot as something necessary by design (say for example, the main character is supposed to be clairvoyant or something)? You play, your character gets things wrong the first time, but now when you reload your character will obviously do everything right, almost as if they were clairvoyant/psychic/etc because that's exactly what your character is. The only way to beat the game is to explore a variety of outcomes in order to gather information until you get it right, but instead of this being immersion breaking it's actually supported by the plot itself.

Not sure if I'm making sense here or maybe I ate the wrong kind of cookies, you tell me...

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Most rougelites kind of do this.

For "big" FPS games Deathloop kind of does it. You and the main villain are aware of a reset that happens when you die or the two day timer runs out.

Every loop you gain more knowledge, and every miniboss gives more power.

But to actually beat the game, you need to do a bunch of tasks in the right order in the right timeslots.

I don't think I ever finished it, but it was a fun concept

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

You should finish Deathloop. I have two major issues with it, and the first is that it's too short. By the time you really get going you're about done. My second issue is there's only one correct solution. There's a lot of alternative solutions that allow you to accomplish different goals, but, for completing the game, there's only one path.

It's sad that Arkane made Prey (which is one of the best games ever made) and then Deathloop (which is a very good concept, if flawed), and then we're forced to make Redfall. I think they lost most of their talent over that, so I don't suspect we'll ever get anything like those again from that studio.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I would have never thought of a roguelike.... Are we talking about stuff like shattered pixel dungeon? Hardly enough depth of plot and definitely a different run every time so repeating is nearly impossible.

As for Deathloop, that sounds really cool! That would fit the bill, cheers!

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Hades is a great example of this. You start out as the son of Hades, lord of the underworld. You want to escape his realm, so you try to fight your way out. Along the way, you will die and fail, and you just get sent back down to your father's house, and he gives you a bit of a hard time about how weak and ineffectual you are.

The plot unfolds as you interact with various gods and other figures in the underworld, over the course of your many attempts. Saving and reloading isn't really a thing, as such, but the plot continues to unfold, even as you die over and over over and over.

Edit:

This is a great time for me to rave about how much I love the storytelling in Hades. In a book or in a totally linear game, the story looks like this:

You start at the beginning, you proceed directly to the end. You have no choices in how the plot progresses. This is fine in a book, and I'm sure there are some games where it works okay, too.

Most games with "choices" go like this:

You might make a few choices, but a lot of them either end in a false ending or take you right back to the ending that the writers planned all along. It can give the illusion of meaningful choice, but it can also start to feel hollow once you see where the railroad tracks are.

Hades works like this:

All of the characters in the game (and there are a lot of them) have their own linear plot that is unfolding as you play the game, and you are learning about any one of them at any given time. You don't have many meaningful choices to make, but it still reads as a very compelling plot because all of your interactions deepen your relationship with each character in turn. It saves us all from the fake choices that a lot of games stick us with. It's genius.