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Oh how I wish that was so. We just lost the most important election of our lifetimes because that isn’t so. Maybe some of our louder non-voters want to weigh in on that.
I'm saying that if Democrats fight for the people, they will see better voting outcomes. What does that have to do with the last election? Democrats didn't fight for us from 2020-2024, so they lost voters, which is complimentary to my point.
It was great that Biden's policies helped slow down inflation, but that's pretty much all they did. There were no consequences for treason, no big investigations, no major reforms of the political system, no safeguards for rights put into place. The last thing a major Democrat did in TX was when Obama had tacos in Austin over 10 years ago.
Look at the voting record and it echoes my point.
In 2004, Bush 4.5 million, Kerry 2.8 million
In 2008, McCain 4.5 million, Obama 3.5 million after Obama ran a campaign about a better future giving us something to vote for
In 2010, the ACA passed
In 2012, Romney 4.6 million, Obama 3.3 million McConnell succeeded in preventing a lot of Democrat proposals from being passed and the democrats weren't able to fulfill a lot of things during the tike before this election
In 2016, Trump 4.7 million, Clinton 3.9 million Marriage Equality had recently passed and Democrats proposed the Equality Act and were very vocal about the potential consequences of an election loss
In 2020, Trump 5.9 million, Biden 5.3 million, Democrats made promises and said they would fight for rights. Many democrats aligned themselves with protests and even with some tonedeaf messaging, attempted to show a united front against the chaos
In 2022, women lost the right to bodily autonomy In 2023, Women's Health Protection Act was introduced but went nowhere
In 2024, Trump 6.4 million, Harris 4.8 million after democrats revealed the United front was a ruse and failed to follow through on issues that won them the 2020 election even though the threat of chaos was even worse than we had seen in 2020.
I’d prefer they fight for the people either way, but the problem is “fighting for the people” is pretty subjective. Did they or did they not is a subjective opinion about which we only know what is public.
I’d say that’s a valid opinion, though one I don’t particularly share. They got some Big Shit Done for the gridlock that is Congress, imo.
I see you’re referring to Texas specifically which is fine, I was just confused at first.
The main problem with saying these numbers validate my opinion is that there's no way to prove it one way or the other, and so you may be right, I may be crazy but I don’t see the numbers making the point that Democrats (in Texas? For Texas? Of Texas?) did or did not “fight for the people”.
First off, it’s Texas, but secondly Obama was a superstar candidate with -at the time- limited experience. And he came after eight long terra-terra-terra years of -at the time- The Worst President in History. His getting higher numbers than Kerry (again, in Texas, with the global financial markets hanging by a thread under Bush the Dubz) doesn’t have anything to do with ‘fighting fir the people’.
I could go on, but I’d have the same arguments about some of the other numbers and you get my point.
What we don’t have numbers for are the votes that candidates didn’t get after ‘fighting for the people’, which again is a subjective call that could mean a bunch of different things.
Based strictly on Primaries and the platforms different candidates have, the most ‘fight for the people’ candidates don’t win - sometimes they don’t win a lot. And yes we can talk about how they screwed Bernie but that’s ultimately a side issue; lots of “fight for the people” candidates have lost in the primaries - including non-screwed Bernie.
It’s (a) subjective and (b) not a sure thing by any stretch. US politics is gnarly, and Jesus Christ by any other name would lose Texas to Romney.
We lost that election because both the Republican and Democratic candidates thought pushing right wing ideology was the best tactic. Turns out that only works for one of the party's base.
And all the people not voting against trump.
Nope. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Lol. Bullshit.
I cut this one up awhile ago but it’s bullshit. Probably makes non-voters feel even more self righteous, but it’s bullshit.
If you want to get non-voters to vote, you need to give them a reason to vote. You've just seen that shouting at them and demanding that they vote for someone they don't want to vote for doesn't work, regardless of how severe the consequences are. You're determined to continue along this course of action no matter how many times it fails.
The voters you need are alienated. What will you do to get them back? More of the same is not an acceptable answer, because it has to be clear to you by now that it will never work. Dismissing them entirely and moving to the right hasn't worked either. It just alienates people the party breaks solidarity with in order to chase republican votes, and the republicans it aims to get still vote republican.
If Democrats do not change, they will continue to lose. That's not some petulant tankie demanding perfection. That's someone looking at political reality as it currently stands, assessing the failures of the Democratic Party, and telling you that if they don't change, they will lose.