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This is in response to me basically saying bickering over what to do with the state right now is pointless given how far away we are from ending capitalism in the imperial core. I think this was a thread from like 2 weeks ago, I legit thought my comments would be lost in the ether but apparently not lmao.
This is such a good reply, thanks for sharing it.
I know that my bias is motivating me to say this because I do genuinely love this stuff—call me a cracker and waterboard me with mayonnaise—but it's discussions like these that convince me that even just a foundational understanding of philosophy is so critical to approaching matters with a clear-headed perspective.
I think, at its worst, if that then-anarchist led an anarchist revolution and they drove the post-revolutionary reconstruction then they would have done a liberalism speedrun. I know that sounds uncharitable ("Har har, anarchists are all liberals!!") but if you're starting from the principle that natural rights exist then the logical conclusion is to implement mechanisms to safeguard and defend these rights, which sooner or later leads to creating these apparatuses that merge together and eventually form what resembles a liberal state. Yeah, the exact contours will differ but if it goes on uninterrupted then you're gonna find yourself with a recreation of liberal state eventually, at least imo.
Coincidentally, this is where I arrive at my own Euthyphro-like problem because for me this about understanding class conflict and this is rooted in dialectical and historical materialism. My answer to that problem is that I arrived at DiaMat etc. because it led me to the right conclusions and not that it's the right conclusions because DiaMat concurs with it (but I'm lucky because I was an anarchist for a long time so I'm confident that it's not just a case if "this agrees with a DiaMat view of the world so therefore it's right" because I've seen the way that this plays out on an infinitesimal scale within orgs where the foundational hypothesis of liberalism exists like a seed crystal that creates conditions for its inevitable growth until it creates something almost identical to what liberal political philosophy always creates.)
Don't take this as me dragging anarchism unfairly though. I've gnawed away at this problem for a long time and believe me when I say that I regularly turn the matter over in my mind about how revisionism and liberalism creep into revolutionary movements - you don't get to reinstate liberalism in a nation like the USSR without it being a pressing issue for communists just as equally as it is for anarchists.
I think this also applies to a lot of western leftists in general, not just this specific anarchist. If someone refuses to truly examine, understand and challenge liberalism they will just treat it like the "background noise" of their life and would recreate it after a revolution without even realising that is what they are doing.
Hard yes