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I've seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What's happening?

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[–] AskewLord@piefed.social 47 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.

they don't discuss and they don't read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.

I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world -2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH

It's better than that: you can back them into a position that runs directly counter to official CCP policy and they'll claim that it's a "western agitprop translation" from the original language. Support it with translation and testimonials from actual Chinese citizens and those get dismissed because they're impure enough to speak a dirty western language.

Some fun ice breakers for any ML post:

  • Why is it illegal to form a union in China?
  • Why does the PRC constitution guarantee freedom of the press but journalists require a liscense? [Bonus: how can you quantify a requirement like "journalist ethics"?]
  • Why is the number of executions in China a state secret?
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 26 minutes ago

Why is it illegal to form a union in China?

It isn't, it just must be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions to ensure that no "independent unions" can be wielded by the west or by capitalists to undermine socialism.

Why does the PRC constitution guarantee freedom of the press but journalists require a liscense? [Bonus: how can you quantify a requirement like “journalist ethics”?]

To ensure journalists aren't spreading western disinformation to de-legitimize the state and foment instability, as has happened time and time again in other countries.

Why is the number of executions in China a state secret?

For similar reasons as the prior two.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

We actually do read and discuss theory quite a lot, both online and when we are at party meetings (though many times the meetings are for organizing things like protests, or other matters). What you may be noticing is that we don't tend to "quote farm," ie find a relevant quote from a Marxist theorist, and use that as an argument. It's unconvincing and comes across as book worship.

This creates a 2-sided problem: either we worship theory, or we don't read it at all, in the eyes of liberals. It's a perfect, thought-terminating bubble where there's a great excuse ready-made to not take communists seriously, either we don't know what we are talking about, or we are detached from reality. It's simply impossible for us to not rely on quote farming while actually knowing what we are talking about. Same with "state propaganda."

I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

This more speaks to yourself not knowing what communism is, though. Marx and Engels have railed against utopianism, and were proponents of scientific socialism. Same with the idea of a mass murder fantasy.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

they don’t discuss and they don’t read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda

I do not understand how you can't see the irony here.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can't get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I'll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)

Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than "the dunk" process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.

Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know... I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪

I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I've checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.

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[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 5 points 16 hours ago

Now that you're a grown up who can speak for yourself, what is the Hannibal Directive?