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I've seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What's happening?

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization

for the record when people say 'Death to America' it's wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.

Concern about the 'fall of Western civilization' is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.

also this isn't limited to election seasons, death to america

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Death to America

I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you're quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that's probably not cool beans, you know?

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago

Death to America is a saying that goes back much further than Bin Laden, and there have been many good reasons for many people to say it. I'm sure many of the people indigenous to the land (that wasn't "America" to them) had a probably rather similar phrase and said it probably rather often as that entity commenced with their genocide. And since that time, it's not as if there hasn't been a lack of good reasons to call for the destruction of the settler-colonial project responsible for the worst imperialist cruelties since the British Empire (the immediate ancestor). But you might consider questioning why you seem to only associate the phrase with that one particular person.

[–] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

Osama Bin Laden and I happen to have the same position that the end of the USA as a political entity would be a positive thing. I probably also agree with him that breathing and having meals is necessary for survival.

Are either of those propositions made less true by virtue of Osama also believing them?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

I dunno man. You have a dog? Hitler had a dog...

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I use she/her in case it doesn't show up in your app.

This isn't quoting osama bin laden, it's an Iranian slogan/expression.

America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America