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No but they use these things even with warnings. And certainly use chatgpt where possible to avoid learning despite being warned.(lots of teachers have been very vocal about this). That’s a self made choice even with education about the choice.
kids in previous generations experimented with pipe bombs (which they didn’t invent the idea) and blew off their hands.
These kids were warned not to.
Yet not all kids play with pipe bombs and lose their hands. Hmm. Almost like kids are capable of individually accepting education about the choices they make.
So I guess no, you don’t have to invent the thing to be partial to be compliant if even fully certain in your own demise.
I partially agree with you. When i was young, some kids smoked even though the risk was quite clear. As a society, though, we banned kids from buying cigarettes because young people often make bad decisions. it’s not even their fault - it’s a prefrontal cortex thing. we can’t just say, ‘kids were warned’
clarification- when i say it’s not their fault i am referring to them being bad at making decisions. it is partially their fault about smoking, and partially due to them having poor impulse control and an intense need to conform.
heh, always the prefrontal cortex
I disagree with the prefrontal cortex being entirely at fault as there are kids out there that are entirely capable of avoiding dumb stuff and do take warnings. There are also adults entirely capable of doing exactly the same shit while having a prefrontal cortex entirely developed.
We only take notice of the ones who don’t because they are the ones who make the news cycle and click baits such as this article we’re all commenting on here. Another thing we’re all addicted to and is not entirely only affecting children but also adults alike.
I think you are also touching on impulse control which does get into mental health area which is another topic overlooked area when parenting and acknowledgment in what kind of limits should be nuanced from kid to kid. They are individuals. Not a hive mind.
Of course, because that's what kids do. Kids have ALWAYS done stupid shit against the warnings of their parents/teachers. The difference is adults in the past haven't usually given kids easy access to dangerous shit. And in the past the parents would normally be shamed for doing the dangerous shit that they tell kids not to do.
Use your example, pipe bombs: are they easily accessible just by reaching over and grabbing one off the kitchen counter? Because that's how easy it is to grab a cell phone and use AI or TikTok. Do we have Superbowl ads for pipe bombs? Do we have celebrity endorsements for pipe bombs? Do adults happily use pipe bombs on the regular?
Use a different example: smoking or alcohol. While parents will use them both to varying degrees, we as a society have banned kids from doing them. We don't just leave it up to kids to take our warning that both are bad for them.
Pipe bombs were easily made because of access to things in the kitchen.
And smokes are easy access as are alcohol... Some Kids mark the bottle to hide they were drinking it. Some Kids hide they smoke possibly even today. Reason why there's incense.
And guns are also easily accessed. Some child related deaths in 80s and 90s in the US because guns weren't locked up. Now a kid can get one from Walmart and shoot up a school.
But a lot of this can be shit patents with magical thinking that don't know how to educate their kids and just leave it up to the legal age so the child gets overwhelmed with being an adult magically knowing all the things.
Cuz that doesn't seem to be a factor here in the discussion.
And that's an important one.
Maybe a lot of why the political climate is what it is is for one: lazy parenting. Includes not holding people accountable for making decisions they are capable of making for themselves and instead helicopter the shit out of it till lowest denominator kids learn to get away with manipulative shit like "you let me" excuses like you just did.
we done comparing all generations to their lowest common denominator?
Cuz I know not every child is getting up to this shit.
And I know every not child uses this bullshit excuse.
They learned pronouns easy enough. They can hear other words too to gain understanding of what the world is.
Are you seriously arguing that building a working pipe bomb is as easy as grabbing a cell phone off the counter? Seriously?
And everything you mentioned (bombs, guns, cigarettes, alcohol) are banned for children. They are not actively encouraged by nearly every segment of society.
My argument was that kids aren't fully responsible for this, and that parents and adult society should take a large blame for it. You seem to agree that shitty parenting is the reason.
you're so convinced that all it takes is forbidding it so we run a society of forbidding children from phones for fear they can't even monitor themselves rather than educate? Is that your solution?
cuz of the 'you invented it and there for i can't help myself' ? Are you really buying into that shit excuse?
all because of a click bait article?
Cuz this is the precise lazy parent approach rather than educating them I'm talking about here.
Part of battling that isn't obtusely buying into these kind of stupid manipulative excuses and rolling up your sleeves getting involved with the nuances.
I have no idea what the fuck you just said in this insane rambling.
All people exist within and help create culture. It's difficult to resist culture. As a young millennial, social media was everywhere and rapidly became how you interact with people. Many of us got hooked on it or other aspects of the internet. Hell I was reading cracked on my phone in high school after finishing my work instead of reading the book I brought (and yeah getting in trouble for it). It was normal. When I quit Facebook it came with social costs that weren't intentionally applied, I just didn't know about things that were happening because they were posted there.
Gen z is more hooked than any previous generation and at a younger age, just like millennials were. But the content has changed from texting peers to browsing the web to doomscrolling to doomscrolling without even needing to read. They bear some responsibility just as we did, but those of us who formed the culture they live in and built these tools also deserve some responsibility, as do the parents who haven't been raising them to value education as much as ours did and who've been providing them with unlimited access to the devices.
I don't think making pipe bombs is as addictive as using AI, but sure