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Put a stop sign up. No need for the ridiculously complex system. A simple stop sign would do.
Because no one ever ignores stop signs, especially when they think they're useless
There is no perfect system. This ridiculous and complex system is a maintenance nightmare, and following your logic, it’s just as possible someone will hit it.
This is not a "system," it's a PSA campaign. These aren't installed anywhere, they were just put there to make the ads.
I'm aware of that. I can't believe people are arguing for it.
If they can ignore the crosswalk, they can ignore stop sign. Raised crosswalk is significantly better, it both work as a crosswalk and a road bump, which people will have to slow down to prevent damage to their vehicles. Also this is ad campaign if you haven't notice, it isn't real.
If there's a stop sign you'd need to come to a stop even if there's no pedestrians at the cross walk. If cars would stop when there's a pedestrian then they only need to stop when there's a pedestrian.
As someone who seldom drives, sure put up a stop sign. But it would be better for drivers if it didn't have to come to that.
This ridiculous pop-up crosswalk is a rube goldberg stop sign. Overly complex and definitely is something that will take plenty of maintenance to keep clear and operating correctly. Imagine if all or part were to fail in the “up” position. The only benefit is operation on-demand vs a small inconvenience to drivers and a large increase in safety to pedestrians.
For the purposes of this discussion, a stop sign is easily the correct solution and a minor inconvenience. Either that, or station an officer there randomly and rake in the ticket fees for failing to yield to a pedestrian in the crosswalk.
I think the pop-up crosswalk was just done for the advertisement, it's not a permanent thing.
But the crosswalk is a stop sign if a pedestrian is using it in most modern traffic codes, and even if you are only about to use it (visible intent to cross), 80 countries agree that is enough to give you right of way on a crosswalk. Visually a crosswalk is just completely unmistakable, so what would adding another stop sign do?
If those rules are unclear, maybe trafic education is lacking? Or maybe repercussions are not enough, maybe increase the fines or chance to get fined?
Interestingly Qatar, Macao and Singapore place the burden of safety on the pedestrians while crossing a crosswalk(very cool for pedestrians, famously lacking about 1 to 2 tons of steel cage to protect them during a collision with a car).
Because psychologically people are far less likely to run a stop than roll through a crosswalk with someone still in it, you know there’s a big fine for blowing a stop vs failing to yield which, plainly in this very video clip, nobody is likely to get ticketed for. And you completely sidestepped the maintenance and cost issues with this system. Guaranteed this thing is broken quickly and often.
Whatever. Y’all got some messed up logic.
I'm not advocating for this system anywhere, just that crosswalks should be more then enough in a lot of circumstances. Clearly, it's not in Quebec.
Your statement that rolling a stop sign is less likely then a crosswalk seems crazy to me. They are both a stop sign. Both fines are very expensive here.